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You have to get lucky breaks no matter the selection strategy , and look forward to all the horses staying sound for March.

Having input from different people and their varied selections used to work well for us at the races or at the pub on Saturdays, four pick one horse each for a combination Trifecta bet, lots of fun :D .

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The first week has been akin to the 'phoney war' in the early stages of WWII, unsurprisingly our performance has been muted. The competition kicks off in earnest today with the first bonus race & some widely picked horses running.The points picked up by novice hurdlers and handicappers are likely to be put firmly into perspective. Then we have the Fighting Fifth & three grade ones at Fairyhouse next weekend followed by the Tingle Creek & the John Durkan the weekend after - only one bonus race but five grade ones. It will then go very quiet till Boxing Day. Lets see how we are all positioned after Dec 6th.

Wins for Lostintranslation or Clan Des Obeaux , Epatante,Envoi Allen, Honeysuckle, Altior & Chacun Pour Soi over the next fortnight would swamp the current point scorers. Also Shiskin should also collect a few points at Kempton on Monday. Think we have 4 lines that could bag two bonus races and three grade ones.

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Oh dear ! Great run from Bristol de Mai but the ground yet again decided the Betfair Chase

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Wins today for Appreciate It and Minella Indo

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Standings @ 23 Nov
The first bonus race of the jumps competition, the Betfair Chase on Sat, left many disappointed as two of the most selected horses, Lostintranslation (46%) and Clan Des Obeaux (28%), failed to collect. Instead, Haydock race specialist Bristol De Mai obliged for 1,504 stables.

Leading horses after first ten days
1 Bristol De Mai 54.2
2 Eldorado Allen 29.9
3 Abacadabras 28.4
4 Main Fact 26.4
5 Notebook 24.6
6 Duffle Coat 24.1
7 Ramses De Teillee 23.6
7 Felix Desjy 23.6
9 Song For Someone 23.4
10 Imperial Aura 22.3

Overall leaders of 37,951 paid stables

Code: Select all

01   Golden Miller 17              165.4
02   Rubbish Mario Sisters         160.4
03   God's Own 50                  159.1
03   Yalltari 890                  159.1
05   Nelzig 30                     156.5
Fiso syndicate, top five

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373  Fiso Ayala                     99.8
373  Fiso Discount                  99.8
728  Fiso Specify                   90.2
970  Fiso Tiger Roll                86.4
9969 Fiso Neptune Collonges         46.7
Fiso Free Federation: free team mini-league

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01   Diggers               Ashers          112.0  4th overall (of 6,695)
02   Forever Changes       SamD             45.6  1,541st
03   Mudahim Free          Muddy            44.5  1,589th
04   OvertheLast           Ottershaw        33.3
05   Minnie Milan's Mates  topspur          33.3
06   Free Horseshoes       Striker          32.2
07   Pathetico Athletico   trampie          25.6
08   Yorkies freebie       Yorkshire Exile  11.1
09   Dicky’s Donkeys       dickypick         4.2
10   Polarbear Express     polarbear         3.0

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Striker wrote: 19 Nov 2020, 12:54 Thanks to Neil and Paul for meaningful responses to my email. I’ll use my reply as an opportunity to start a discussion in this thread.

Firstly I assume that Neil’s apologies are tongue in cheek. Otherwise I’ve lost the ability to express what I mean to say. 😊 I’m not unhappy with the similarity of our teams, just that they were more similar than I expected.

Re: Neil’s comments on Rouge Vif, Goshen and Sire du Berlais, none of which can I really disagree with. I can understand the hesitation with all three and as I said Goshen was rather a heart over head selection. I’ll be delighted if he is a Katchit and he could be, but he could also be a total disappointment. The upside and downside are both considerable. I would however completely ignore his recent flat form, his last run was as good as anything he’s previously achieved in his moderate flat career. But that won’t be enough to reassure anyone including my own head that he is destined for a successful NH season. I am however happy that I’ve included Sire du Bergais in six lines. The inclusion of all three is part of a theoretical argument as to whether one should include risky horses which do at least have a chance of a big upside.

In an entry of 5 or 6 lines one is going to stick to mixing and matching around 13 of the safer more likely stars, with perhaps one or two other horses appearing in one or two “lines”. In fact in my own entry my first 5 odd entries do not include any of the riskier horses and are based on the core most popular horses as they are popular for a reason. But as I progress through the entries more and more horses of the Goshen, Sire du Berlais type appear in my teams until the last entry included Delta Work, Allaho, and Abracadabras which hadn’t been used up to that point.

My total entry is nearly as large as the syndicate entry and while one approach would be to continue to concentrate on a mixing and matching one’s own top 13 or so horses which would give one a great chance of winning or going close if one’s core group was pretty good, a couple of injuries would mean that the rest of your selections would have to be pinhead perfect. The decision between this approach and a wider selection doesn’t, I think, have an objective answer. In fact one thing that does support the use of a small core of horses even with a 20 stable entry is that I’ve found in the past that including a horse just once in your entry hasn’t been successful as the rest of that entry has to be very very good or otherwise the risky successful selection is a waste of time. That’s why when I decide to include a horse, (before the last minute one or two entries which are put in to include horse that I haven’t used before, and which are usually my poorest performing lines) I include it in 4-6 lines, so that if for example Saldier miraculously stays fit, I still have a chance that his entry was useful, as I’m not dependent on a single specific line.

Again the point that Neil raises of not restricting a huge potential horse to as few as 75% of entries is largely a combination of the number of entries that one makes AND personal preference. Even if both Envoi Allen and Shishkin turn out to be essential I’ll still have around 12 lines which are still in play. And if one or both are duds due to injury or whatever, I’ll still be in the game. However the main point why I’d argue for including some risk is that you could win with say three horses blanking up to March as you can dump two, but you cannot win if you don’t include at least 4 or 5 of the biggest point scorers. And as I said above if you are including a potentially great but risky selection having it in just one line is less likely to pay off.

As regards the three you didn’t touch, I’m already already wondering if I was right to include 5 Samcro; I agree that Fakir’s form left a little to be desired but I have a “feeling” and so I won’t wonder about the soundness of this choice until he’s run a couple of times; Saldier I’d still argue for, as he’s fine on yielding or soft and MIGHT get that both at Leopardstown in February and at Cheltenham. There’s a potential 100+ points right there IF 😉 he ever turns up.

The question of whether one should delay putting certain horses in from the start is a tricky one. Clearly if a horse is unlikely to run much before Cheltenham one should be hesitant, but often there are two or three horses which weren’t obviously pickable at the beginning of the season but who by early March appear to be must haves. If you have a couple of horses that you were “waiting for”, you may have a problem. Saldier can’t really be waited with, (rejecting him completely is a different matter) as you’d want him to win the Irish Champion in early February. Waiting is clearly best for novice hurdlers unless there’s a huge chance of running up a sequence as apart from uncertainty about their true NH quality, there are no bonus races for them at any time. Certainly for any given “line” I’d never be wanting to wait for more than one horse. Although you are pretty sure that you’ll be needing to make transfers due to injury or poor form, the only effect on one’s initial selection should be not to go mad on risk. While you still have complete freedom to bring in whatever two horses you want, your transfers out will often be constrained. If you have two horses out for the season, there is zero freedom. Unlike fantasy football where you can transfer who you like both in and out.

As regards the approach to transfers, I don’t think that picking stables based on having one of your transfers already earmarked is a sound strategy even though occasionally it may pay off.
One key aspect of this game is similar to fantasy football where your ideal team changes in your mind from week to week. Unlike fantasy football, here you unfortunately can’t take any corrective action. But this doesn’t mean that you should adopt a minimal risk free strategy. For among other reasons all your stables will be very like thousands of other stables and you’ll need to land on a pinhead to win. The ideal solution is to have a few minimal risk teams and others which are riskier.

Moving onto Paul’s main points. I hope that we are not the only two who feel that this thread is the best place for us to air our thoughts. As regards his conclusion that as the probability that the horse selected in place of an Envoi Allen/Shishkin will do really well is low (agreed), you should include those horses in all your lines is solid in a single digit number size of entry, I disagree with that conclusion for larger entries. But hey ho, it’s all subjective and given the luck element in the game, the views of losers and winners are often equally valid. It would probably need a doctoral thesis to determine which is the better long term approach in a number of TTTF selection issues.

This weekend we probably all have some interest in the Betfair, while after Goshen’s withdrawal, there is limited interest at Ascot other than Imperial Aura. There are also several of our horses likely to be involved in Ireland this weekend, and in this afternoon’s Presenting Percy, Monalee, Kemboy clash. Weekend highlights could be Minella Indo who has a potential penalty kick if he turns up at Navan on Sunday. While at Naas on Saturday Fakir D’Oudairies faces Notebook and Cash Back.

Anyway among my ramblings I hope I've addressed the points in Neil's and Paul's emails.
Hi Striker,
Thanks for the reply and sharing your thoughts, especially your thoughts on transfers.

A lot seems to be subjective/personal preference or your risk assessment, which on the whole I agree with. If there was a clear formula for success hopefully we would have spotted it and been closer to winning by now. I would highlight a few things I see differently to you, not saying I'm necessarily right though.

If I was putting in novice hurdlers I would have them in from the start, as to score lots of points they need to run up a sequence of wins which takes time and therefore you have to take the risk. Admittedly there will be unknowns, will they be as good over hurdles and there will be unknown horses that haven't run. I would only include them if they looked a real stand out i.e. possibly Envoi Allen last year. I didn't see anything this year to be that sure about so I didn't include any.
I would have a similar rationale for novice chasers, although they do have a bonus race for 2m and 3milers. I think the 3m novice (former RSA) is very difficult to pinpoint and so tend to exclude 3m novices unless there is a standout. There is a slight upside to 3m novices in that if they aren't top class they might end up in a handicap, like the Scottish National or at Cheltenham.

Envoi Allen looks like they are keen to keep him at 2 1/2m where there is no bonus race but if he can take 3 Grade 1's that 75+points. As there is no forseeable bonus race, in a syndicate sized like ours, I wouldn't have had him in all our lines (as you suggest) as the up side isn't as great. I think the way we choose our lines had an influence on getting him in all our lines, we each choose 3 lines individually and we obviously all didn't want to leave him out of our 3. We then based our additional lines on the most popular picks from the individual lines. If we had looked at all the lines as a whole we may have had him in less lines. Hence when you look at the percentages Sam posted, we are above average for the most picked horses like Shishkin, Envoi Allen.

I try not to include injury prone horses, as a Yorkshireman I like a run for my money especially if I haven't seen any recent updates. I agree Saldier is a class horse and therefore has a possible big upside (big points and not picked by many) but I wouldn't want to risk a quarter of my entries with a 'sicknote'. Would you include Aguero (couldn't think of a better injury candidate at the moment) in a fantasy football draft or a game with only 1 transfer window?

To win, as well as good picks you need things to go right and have that bit of luck. Therefore I do see an argument to taking the risk in a few lines of including 1 or 2 horses for the early bonus races and which you expect to transfer out and having 1 or 2 you'd want to bring in for the later bonus races. On the whole it probably won't work out like that but hopefully it might come to pass on the odd occasion when your stars align.

It's early days, so you can't tell too much and hope still springs eternal but I wouldn't expect the leaders now, to be leading at the end. If a horse runs badly now hopefully it is out of form or unfit, rather than not being good enough. If that's the case it may actually mean additional points further down the line with a higher SP. At the moment I'm seeing the benefit of being in the syndicate as I wouldn't have chosen Bristol De Mai in my teams, despite him being 2nd fav for the Betfair when we had to make our selections. In my thoughts I hadn't envisioned heavy going and so had dismissed his chances!

Regards and best of luck. Neil

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Re: 2020-21 Tote Ten to Follow Jumps * standings @ 23 Nov *

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Horses this weekend, unless I've missed one

Paisley Park, McFabulous & Thyme Hill run today against each other in a very competitive race
In the Ladbrokes Trophy (bonus race) we want a Kim Bailey winner as we have Vinndication & Two for Gold
Elsewhere Epitante runs at Newcatsle
In Ireland on Sunday we have Envoi Allen & Honeysuckle.

In case anyone missed it Shishkin ran & won a novice chase on Monday. Looking good in the process.

On a separate note, anyone reading anything about Sam Brown this week who wasn't declared in the Ladbrokes Trophy, possibly it was due to the ground. I fancy him for the Welsh National as he is a mud lover.

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Thanks, Muddy. Our syndicate entries and race details (so each of us doesn't need to search for this!) for rest of November:

McFabulous, Fri 27 Nov, 15:00 Ladbrokes Long Distance Hurdle (Grade 2) NEWBURY; in 4 stables
Thyme Hill, in same race, 4 stables
Paisley Park, same race, 2 stables

Epatante, Sat 28 Nov, 14:05 Betfair Fighting Fifth Hurdle (Grade 1) NEWCASTLE; 22 stables
Abacadabras, same race, 1 stable
Goshen, same race, 1 stable

Imperial Aura, Sat 28 Nov, 15:00 Ladbrokes Trophy Chase (Handicap) (Grade 3), NEWBURY; 1 stable
Siruh Du Lac, same race, 1 stable
Two For Gold, same race, 1 stable
Vinndication, same race, 1 stable

Monkfish, Sat 28 Nov, 11:30 Jim Ryan Racecourse Services Beginners Chase, FAIRYHOUSE; 2 stables
The Big Getaway, same race, 1 stable

Envoi Allen, Sun 29 Nov, 13:35 Novice Chase (Grade 1), FAIRYHOUSE; 25 stables

Honeysuckle, Sun 29 Nov, 14:35, Hatton's Grace Hurdle (Grade 1), FAIRYHOUSE; 15 stables
Saint Roi, same race, 10 stables
Sire Du Berlais, same race, 1 stable

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SamD wrote: 27 Nov 2020, 11:19 Thanks, Muddy. Our syndicate entries and race details (so each of us doesn't need to search for this!) for rest of November:

McFabulous, Fri 27 Nov, 15:00 Ladbrokes Long Distance Hurdle (Grade 2) NEWBURY; in 4 stables Placed
Thyme Hill, in same race, 4 stables Won
Paisley Park, same race, 2 stables Placed

Epatante, Sat 28 Nov, 14:05 Betfair Fighting Fifth Hurdle (Grade 1) NEWCASTLE; 22 stables
Abacadabras, same race, 1 stable Not Running
Goshen, same race, 1 stable Not Running

Imperial Aura, Sat 28 Nov, Not Running 15:00 Ladbrokes Trophy Chase (Handicap) (Grade 3), NEWBURY; 1 stable
Siruh Du Lac, same race, 1 stable Not Running
Two For Gold, same race, 1 stable
Vinndication, same race, 1 stable

Monkfish, Sat 28 Nov, 11:30 Jim Ryan Racecourse Services Beginners Chase, FAIRYHOUSE; 2 stables
The Big Getaway, same race, 1 stable Not Running

Envoi Allen, Sun 29 Nov, 13:35 Novice Chase (Grade 1), FAIRYHOUSE; 25 stables

Honeysuckle, Sun 29 Nov, 14:35, Hatton's Grace Hurdle (Grade 1), FAIRYHOUSE; 15 stables
Saint Roi, same race, 10 stables Not Running
Sire Du Berlais, same race, 1 stable Not Running

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Thanks, topspur.

Entry list was sourced from TenToFollow site, which, sadly, still hasn't been updated. Bought Racing Post earlier but didn't check index of weekend runners in time.

Nonetheless, let's hope for a winning five-fold across Sat-Sun, to follow Thyme Hill this Fri pm.

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Oh :( I couldn't have the footy/Ladbrokes Trophy game because our TAB not taking Newbury, so would not be able to put the matching score/horse wager on.

I will get to watch Epatante and Monkfish races. :)

and then I will have to find another "open" handicap race with plenty of chances :? - any suggestions :?:

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Diana

The three most obvious ones in the next few weeks are
The Grand Sefton at Aintree next Saturday
The Caspian Caviar Gold Cup at Cheltenham on Saturday 12th Dec
The Welsh Grand National on Dec 27th

Hope that helps

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Good list, topspur.

Think Welsh Grand National at Chepstow on Sun 27 Dec fits the bill best from both a betting and interest viewpoint.

It usually features 16 to 20 starters, is an open handicap and potential pointer to Cheltenham/Aintree as well as being a bonus race in the Jumps contest. There's a risk of weather disruption, but that applies to other big races over next few months.

Recent winners and placed horses, plus SP odds, are detailed here:
https://www.racingbetter.co.uk/race/che ... ional.html

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Very impressive by Monkfish.

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Thank you for the race suggestions I will follow up those entries :) and try to match them to games.

I Enjoyed watching Epatante for the first time - very much 8-) A class Act

Vinndication fell :?: Is he alright?

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A quick glance at the leaderboard makes pretty depressing reading and is the reason I don't enter individual teams. I think every entry in the top 100 is a (large) syndicate entry probably with computerised perming. The leader has 35 other entries in the Top 100 and there are maybe another four syndicates with nearly ten each that makes up around three quarters of the Top 100. The numbers attached to some of the entries are mind boggling, it looks like someone may have entered nearly a thousand teams each numbered and named after a horse !

Only the leader of the 6695 free entries would get into the Top 200 in the paid league - second placed would be 202nd !! We have two teams in the Top 600 - not bad considering. Hopefully get a bit higher today

Though our chances beforehand were slim to say the least - but Slim just left town !

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@ topspur: I'm still positive; there's prizes for top 100 so Fiso syndicate may yet do well.
Good luck also to Spurs at Chelsea this afternoon...

wahine wrote:. . . Vinndication fell :?: Is he alright?
He was tracking leaders, disputing second and going okay when he blundered and unseated rider (rather than fall) at fifth-last fence.

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Cheers for that Sam. I've applied for tickets next week when we play the Woolwich but don't expect to get them. Rodon is almost certain to start for us which is a big ask !

I noticed Sandown sold 1000 tickets for next Saturday in 17 minutes.

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Not looking good for The Festival with tickets, looking like a max of 4K tickets.

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Standings @ end-Nov

Overall leaders, 37,951 paid stables
01 Robert Winchcole, 231.34
02 Majestical Motion20, 230.76
02 Majestical Motion24, 230.76
04 Majestical Motion52, 219.64
04 Majestical Motion56, 219.64
06 Colin Pereira 42, 217.94

Fiso syndicate, top five
1,208th Fiso Ayala, 153.3
1,208th Fiso Discount, 153.3
1,866th Fiso Seagram, 146.24
2,119th Fiso Specify, 143.7
2,596th Fiso Tiger Roll, 141

Fiso Free Federation: free team mini-league
01 01 Diggers, Ashers, 192.94 - 2nd overall (of 6,695)
02 02 Forever Changes, SamD, 126.52 - 587th
03 04 OvertheLast, Ottershaw, 126.44 - 596th
04 05 Minnie Milan's Mates, topspur, 114.22 - 1,076th
05 07 Pathetico Athletico, trampie, 106.52
06 08 Yorkies freebie, Yorkshire Exile, 104.24
07 03 Mudahim Free, Muddy, 100.94
08 06 Free Horseshoes, Striker, 85.72
09 10 Polarbear Express, polarbear, 15
10 09 Dicky’s Donkeys, dickypick, 4.2

Leading Horses
01 Bristol De Mai, 54.2
02 Cloth Cap, 52.7
03 Eldorado Allen, 29.9
04 Abacadabras, 28.42
05 Ballyadam, 27.42
05 Honeysuckle, 27.42
07 Epatante, 27.4
08 Main Fact, 26.4
09 Floressa, 26.2
10 Envoi Allen, 26.1

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I'll be at the Tingle Creek tomorrow, small consolation from missing out on tickets for the NLD.

The Big Breakaway well beaten today at Exeter :shock: - will lead to a few ante-post vouchers for the RSA, where it was 2nd fav, looking rather sad. Monkfish shortened in as a result. Just as well its only in one perm. I wonder how many of the other six 'solo line' winners we'll be saying that about in the next few weeks :?:

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Altior pulled out of the Tingle Creek tomorrow

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Wins for Chacun PS & Min shake things up a bit and put FISO Ayala (Ashers 3) on the verge of the top 100. No Politologues as we all miss out on a bonus race though !

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There was some discussion earlier about the horses with one entry not being permed in the joint lists and this meant we were missing out. A couple of weeks on the situation looks a little different.
10 of these 18 have lost their only runs and one more is yet to run. Of the remaining seven, one has lost his follow up race, and only three have notched more than a dozen points ( Abacadabras, Put the Kettle On & Imperial Aura) - so I think the position we adopted for the syndicate lines is looking ok so far. Had we have picked those 18 in just one joint line each we would almost certainly have lost far more points by excluding several of those horses listed below a number of times. Of course it could all look different in a few months time - but I doubt it.

Did Striker select Politologue or Bristol de Mai ( the two gettable bonus race winners) in his own entries and therefore have boosted our chances if he had not been a 'silent partner' ?
15 Horses have scored more than 25 points in the competition so far and between the five of us we selected 7 of them in our individual lines.

Bristol de Mai - 1 entry 3 in total
Abacadabras left out 1 in total
Min 3 entries 6 in total
Honeysuckle 6 entries 14 in total
Epatante 8 entries 21 in total
Envoi Allen All 9 entries All 24 entries
Thyme Hill 2 entries 4 in total

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Re: 2020-21 Tote Ten to Follow Jumps * standings @ 1 Dec *

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The two entries faring best are Ayala & Team Spirit.
Both lines have the same eight horses Epatante, Chacun Pour Soi, Min, Minello Indo, Santini( ran OK on Saturday but disappointing that it didn't win) & Clan des Obeaux as well as Shishkin & Envoi Allen obviously.
in Addition Ayala has Simply The Betts & Bristol de Mai whilst Team Spirit has Honeysuckle & Greaneteen.

Our next five best entries (all in the Top 3000 or 8%) have the following
All have Epatante, Envoi Allen & Shishkin
4 Honeysuckle, Altior,
3 Clan des Obeaux, Santini, Lost in Translation, Minella Indo
2 Chacun Pour Soi, Min, Cyrname, Thyme Hill, Delta Work
1 Bristol de Mai, Monkfish, Abacadabras, Saint Roi, Defi De Seuill

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Re: 2020-21 Tote Ten to Follow Jumps * standings @ 1 Dec *

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Our entries pre Xmas are as follows
Chantry House (Silver Birch) Cheltenham 12.40 Friday 11th & 12.40 Saturday 12th
Mister Fisher (Niklaus Silver) 1.50 Saturday 12th
Goshen (Silver Birch) Cheltenham 3pm Saturday 12th

Thyme Hill (Anglo , Seagram,The Colonel & The Lamb) 2.25 Ascot Saturday 19th - The Long Walk
Paisley Park ( Nickel Coin & Teal) 2.25 Ascot Saturday 19th - The Long Walk
Sire Du Berlais (Neptune Collonge) 2.25 Ascot Saturday 19th - The Long Walk

Most of those lines are some way of the pace - the two best being Seagram - our 3rd best entry & The Colonel - our 7th best line both of which contain Thyme Hill.

Might be one or two others running at Ascot on 19th but declarations are a week away.

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Thanks for stats, topspur.

Mini-update after three weeks, 7 Dec

Overall leaders, 37,951 paid stables
All new at the top, as previous frontrunner drops to eighth.
01 a59, 252.74
02 Instant Tan No.36, 245.12
03 Timmyy07 35, 242.92

Fiso syndicate, top five of 24
01 Fiso Ayala, 204; 101st overall
02 Fiso Team Spirit, 190.82; 247
03 Fiso Seagram, 168.74; 993
04 Fiso The Soarer, 143.7; 2,231
05 Fiso Papillon, 155.82; 2,278

Fiso Free Federation: free team mini-league
Lead quartet of 10
01 01 Diggers, Ashers, 192.94; 10th overall (of 6,695)
02 02 Forever Changes, SamD, 149.02; 332nd
03 04 Minnie Milan's Mates, topspur, 136.72; 677th
04 03 OvertheLast, Ottershaw, 126.44; 1,124th

Leading Horses
01 01 Bristol De Mai, 54.2
02 ---- Politologue, 53.6
03 02 Cloth Cap, 52.7
04 ---- Lake View Lad, 41.5
05 03 Eldorado Allen, 29.9
06 ---- Allmankind, 29.0
07 04 Abacadabras, 28.42
08 ---- Min, 28.2
09 05 Ballyadam, 27.42
09 05 Honeysuckle, 27.42

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Mini-update after race week five, 21 Dec
Paisley Park just overtook Thyme Hill to win the Long Walk Hurdle at Ascot on Saturday and deliver 29 points to 6,295 stables.
The two horses are in two and four Fiso syndicate lines respectively.


Overall leading teams, 37,951 paid stables
Top side unchanged; new second
1 a59, 252.74
2 Mister Whitaker 813, 251.24
3 Instant Tan No.36, 245.12
4 Timmyy07, 242.92
5 TimmyV10, 237.94

Fiso syndicate
Front five of 24 unchanged, though third and fourth earn further points
01 Fiso Ayala, 204; drops to 156th
02 Fiso Team Spirit, 190.82; 387
03 Fiso Seagram, 169.84; 1,580
04 Fiso The Soarer, 156.12; 3,693
05 Fiso Papillon, 155.82; 3,794

Fiso Free Federation: free team mini-league of ten
Muddy climbs into fourth
1 Diggers, Ashers, 192.94; 25th overall (of 6,695)
2 Forever Changes, SamD, 149.02; 556
3 Minnie Milan's Mates, topspur, 136.72; 995
4 Mudahim Free, Muddy, 129.94; 1,329
5 OvertheLast, Ottershaw, 126.44; 1,506

Leading Horses; top three unchanged
1 Bristol De Mai, 54.2
2 Politologue, 53.6
3 Cloth Cap, 52.7
4 Song For Someone 52.2
5 My Drogo 45.80

Upcoming bonus races
King George VI (Kempton), Sat 26 Dec
Welsh Grand National (Chepstow), Sun 27 Dec
Savills Chase (Leopardstown), Mon 28 Dec

Syndicate holds potential entries to first and third above, as well as other smaller races this month, but not the Welsh National.

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Re: 2020-21 Tote Ten to Follow Jumps * December standings *

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Sam, thank you for the update, I saw that race 8-) the Longwalk Hurdle and I thought both horses ran well :) but especially Paisley Park who was very brave.
I just received a tracker update with news that Altior :) will be running soon along with others that have not raced yet, so plenty to look forward to over the next month :) .

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Re: 2020-21 Tote Ten to Follow Jumps * December standings *

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Our runners over Xmas
Bonus race in bold
26th confirmed , others at 4 day dec stage


The Big Breakaway 26 Kemp
Epatante 26 Kemp
Cyrname 26 Kemp
Lostintranslation 26 Kemp
Santini 26 Kemp
Clan des Obeaux 26 Kemp

Shishkin 27 Kemp
Chacun Pour Sois 27 Leo
Altior 27 Kemp
Put The Kettle On 27 Leo
Rouge Vif 27 Kemp
Appreciate It 27 Leo
Min 27 Leo
Melon 27/8 Leo
Sire Du Berlais 28 Leo
Allaho 28 Leo
Minella Indo 28 Leo
Delta Work 28 Leo

Saint Roi 29 Leo
Abacadabras 29 Leo

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