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Personally, i can't see the point in going for the max youth academy. It just never seems worth it.

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Sack the 17/2's sir, please!

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WilBert wrote:
Sack the 17/2's sir, please!
Trouble is WilBert I'd feel a bit of a wally sacking them less than a week after I'd bought them. :oops:

To be honest Rich I am in two minds over the youth academy thing. :?

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The 17/2s are fine - up to a point. You judge them by their form. If they are in good form then keep them that way and get a double out of them. A 21/7 at the level your team is playing is ok for a first generation... but do not waste time/money training or playing them unless they are in exceptional form. Concentrate on who you can significantly improve.

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Richt wrote:Personally, i can't see the point in going for the max youth academy. It just never seems worth it.
Especially with this lot available (all listed as 3 Skill)

2013-02-08 Norman Darren 16 F George Bollocks 252 400
2013-02-08 Urby Selvin 16 MF Gary Greed 98 900
2013-02-08 Drew Legat 16 F Tony Dakota 407 200
2013-02-08 Fredrik Stoor 16 D Richard Righteous 135 500
2013-02-08 Neal Wallbank 16 D George Bollocks [This player is cool as ice and handles pressure well in most situations.] 134 700
2013-02-09 Mike Easter 16 F George Bollocks 54 600
2013-02-09 Rodger Hassell 16 D Tony Dakota 134 600
2013-02-09 Alvin van de Rijt 16 MF Al Corleone [This player is allround and can play in any position] 336 000
2013-02-09 Dilchad Barzanji 16 MF Goran Djuric [The player has goal instincts] 421 000
2013-02-09 Hiwa Barzani 16 MF Gary Greed 119 100
2013-02-10 Gullik Staude 16 F Bill Cates 54 600
2013-02-10 Nigel Halsall 16 F Billy Wonka 54 600
2013-02-10 Julius Schelin 16 D Richard Righteous 357 200
2013-02-10 Plácido Minho 16 F Tony Dakota [This player is allround and can play in any position] 178 600
2013-02-10 Murtagh Corr 16 F George Bollocks [The player's stamina is exceptional] 271 000
2013-02-11 Vojin Bilbija 16 F Goran Djuric [This player is allround and can play in any position] 173 600
2013-02-11 Dominic Whalley 16 D Gary Greed 133 900
2013-02-11 Rab MacKillican 16 MF Billy Wonka 99 900
2013-02-11 Totte Hallin 16 F Steve Reave 54 600

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My strongest team financially is Dream Dingers which has always had a 150k youth academy. The seasons are similar to the public leagues, as only 1 league game per week, so you get 2 or 3 youths per season, and I find at 150k I get enough quality youths to rarely have to scout and buy, as well as the odd very saleable youth. See below for the results in 2012:

Sold from Youth Academy
2012-07-06 Virgil Melton 17 D 4 742 304 Sold
2012-04-25 Manny McGovern 18 GK 2 857 848 Sold

In my Squad from Youth in 2012
2012-11-29 Patrick Yallop 19 F - Junior (currently worth 5 867 100 econ)
2012-01-06 Solomon Collin 17 MF - Junior (currently worth 9 930 000 econ)

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What were they when they arrived?

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Lower than that obviously, but it was easier to get them good DVs with red hearts and good team work. The two I sold pretty much cover the 150k a week alone.

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Bloody Dream Dingers :p

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Sorry, I meant Skill-wise.

I am in another 6 team-Division, League (only sign 20 and unders and sell them when they get to 30) and after I had finished the buying last season got:
an 18-5 tough leader mid three days after getting
an 18\4 HT'er - both now 19\6

and this season got a 17\4 Def.

I think that there are still good and bad YA's, with the stars making them better or less bad respectively - and doesn't make a bad one good, which was supposed to be the point?

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Dream Dingers are coming for you next season Rich. Most valuable squad in the league :twisted:

Patrick Yallop was a 19-6 now 20-7
Solomon Collin was a 17-4 now 22-10

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Patrician wrote:Dream Dingers are coming for you next season Rich. Most valuable squad in the league :twisted:

Patrick Yallop was a 19-6 now 20-7
Solomon Collin was a 17-4 now 22-10
Ashe = animal
Parker = hero
Sturm = superb
Salome = blessed

Towne are there to be shot down. Good luck to you :)

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Karrde wrote:The 17/2s are fine - up to a point. You judge them by their form. If they are in good form then keep them that way and get a double out of them. A 21/7 at the level your team is playing is ok for a first generation... but do not waste time/money training or playing them unless they are in exceptional form. Concentrate on who you can significantly improve.
:shock: Couldn't dissagree more - 18/4's with 2 SQ's are less than 100k each. Even if you double a 17/2 they will more than likely be low skilled 18/4's. The maths just doesn't add up.

In one league I blind bought 10 18/4's and sacked those with poor compatibility or low AF. One doubled with the minimum number of games.

2 bonuses of choosing 18/4's whilst building a team.
1. 4.5 skilled will round down to 4
2. in the public league you can see the player's history (last match/best match, are they a failed 17/4, are the team in high form etc)

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You can see if they were 17\4's by looking at the team's "Players In" page. The problem is that they could have gone down in the CR, but if they have played enough games they should be OK. (Admittedly the lack of distinction between full and part games doesn't help this sort of research.)

Imho, 16\3's are the way to go and can be picked up for under 500k (I'm not saying they are all that price, but there are normally a fair few available, as posted above). 16\2's with good SQ's can be bought for similar prices...

If you are building from scratch then I wouldn't worry too much about compatibility.

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You can work out game time by going into the team's matches played - it even tells you to what skill they played every match or part match. Pfffttt amateurs :roll: :P

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:lol: :lol:

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Spinynorman wrote:I've now started the task of buying and sacking but have not got off to a good start. Despite evaluating I have bought two 17/3's who have turned out to be 17/2's. :roll:
Is that possible?

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Under and over evaluated players are common. More so with some agents.

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WilBert wrote:
Karrde wrote:The 17/2s are fine - up to a point. You judge them by their form. If they are in good form then keep them that way and get a double out of them. A 21/7 at the level your team is playing is ok for a first generation... but do not waste time/money training or playing them unless they are in exceptional form. Concentrate on who you can significantly improve.
:shock: Couldn't dissagree more - 18/4's with 2 SQ's are less than 100k each. Even if you double a 17/2 they will more than likely be low skilled 18/4's. The maths just doesn't add up.
Well I wouldnt have 17/2s or 18/4s if we are really getting into it... but my comment was that I wouldnt (in this squad) sack a 17/2 on exceptional form that i happened to already have. Especially not to get a random 18/4 in. Both ways youre likely to end up with a 21/7 anyway.

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I wouldnt advocate 18/4's as long termers but when team building they offer a potential quick win. An 18/4 is likely to be higher than a double jumped 17/2 saying they both have the same chance to get to 21/7 doesn't stack up.

The beauty of the public league system is that you're not buying blind. Just had a quick look and this one looks promising though not perfect.
http://www.xperteleven.com/player.aspx? ... 48457&dh=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Failed 17/4 with poor compatibility in his previous team played 13 games last season. Tasty sq for re-sale. One would assume he's had more than 10dv if poor ME so would be at least a 4.1 skill if not higher.

You would have to have a dv of 18 on a 2 skill 17 year old to match that, if you were lucky and he was high in his skill band.

On top of that you have another 3 months needed to develop him compared to the 18/4. Get the 18/4 to double to a 19/6 in one season and you've got a top quality 17/4 or a bargain 16/4 in the ranks.

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Can I just say that you all obviously give this far more thought than I do. :P

Having said that it makes great reading and is food for thought. Cheers. :)

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Ashers wrote:
Spinynorman wrote:I've now started the task of buying and sacking but have not got off to a good start. Despite evaluating I have bought two 17/3's who have turned out to be 17/2's. :roll:
Is that possible?
No.

Re Research etc: that is why 16\3's are the way I go, and sometimes 17\4, if desperate for players - unless I see (combinations of) SQ's that I like in a 16\2-18\4, but they are rare.

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I've not bothered to evaluate the last couple of buys due to the inaccuracy of some of the previous ones.

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You are not checking or looking at them properly. Are you bidding when drunk? :lol:

If you are sure, then post something in the Problems Forum, from the main Forum and one of the bods will look at them for you....

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blahblah wrote:
If you are sure, then post something in the Problems Forum
Regarding my transfer deals or my drinking? :P

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Your beer-goggles and the Evaluations :lol:

If you post there saying that the Evals will wrong, I will wager the first reply asks if you were pi55ed :wink:

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Got a bit of a shock earlier on as I noticed that I had got a match and on looking up my opponent saw that the squad was at least 5-6 times the skill of mine. :shock:

Then I noticed that it was a cup game. :)

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Have a look at Scully's Mob.

And think of the DV's you will get :shock:

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WilBert wrote:I wouldnt advocate 18/4's as long termers but when team building they offer a potential quick win. An 18/4 is likely to be higher than a double jumped 17/2 saying they both have the same chance to get to 21/7 doesn't stack up.
I didnt say they had the same chance, I said it was the most likely end result for each player. The random 18/4 is going to be a 21/7 more often than he is a 21/8 and the 17/2 in exceptional form is more likely to be a 21/7 than anything else.

Im just saying a 17/2 you happen to accidentally have isnt a catastrophe IF he is in exceptional form!

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Karrde wrote:
Im just saying a 17/2 you happen to accidentally have isnt a catastrophe IF he is in exceptional form!
How about if you have three. :oops:

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