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GW 31-38 without WC

Post by SirMattBugsby » 11 Mar 2019, 16:25

Most chip strategies in the 'pesky chips' thread include the WC. But what about the novices/poor souls/interesting people like me who've already used it? :?

Not having a WC means being extra careful with the other chips. It's difficult to maneuver with back-to-back contrasting gameweeks but I think it can be done without much damage and perhaps even some upsides.

Key questions:

1) When to use the chips? I'm keeping an open mind regarding this and don't want to commit to a set strategy. If things wrong, there's no reset button. Only sure thing for me is, no Free Hit in GW 31.

2) Where to compromise? The first obvious point here is the number of 'blankers' and 'doublers'. Without hits, I'll have 8 players in GW 31 and, hopefully, the rest of the squad will be for DGWs.
The second point for me is playing the rest of the season with a more forward-looking approach rather than wanting immediate gains. So, buying a West Ham player is not so easy without a WC, even though the GW 31 fixture is great.

3) Teams to keep an eye on. For me, it's Chelsea, Arsenal, Watford, Palace, Brighton and Southampton. Personally, I'd like Palace to win against Watford in the FA Cup and Brighton to lose.

4) Any possible upside? Not having a WC forces a manager to think long-term. Choosing blankers/doublers for the sake of it, FHing in GW 31, ignoring form teams like some of us did with Palace last season.. these are some options that can get automatically get ruled out, and probably for the good?

Maybe it's me being optimistic in a dire situation :lol:

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by bcfc1903 » 11 Mar 2019, 17:51

Excellent post and one that this interesting person (hmmmm) has thought, thought and thought a bit more....

My first input is that i'm reasonably comfortable that i am going to use my free hit on one of the double gameweeks in 35 or 37 in that I will have information on those teams whom have likely used their wildcard in GW34. I can then look at maximising double gameweek players, whilst potentially attaining the best of the single gameweek players.

The triple captain will be yielded in one of the other double gameweeks, hopefully GW32 when Man City have a double (Fulham, Cardiff)....

I am going to compromise and West Ham are my initial compromise. Belting fixture on paper this GW but i loathe GW333/34 and with the uncertainty around WHU players, I'll stick with Antonio. Not ideal but short term points hits with a team with poor fixtures in the medium term would IMO be better used in one of the probable 3 double gameweeks.

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by raoul » 11 Mar 2019, 18:51

Good thread idea (says the person who started the playing GW31 thread for a similar reason).

I have just FH and TC to play. I looked at FH31 and FH32 and could only see the latter working for me. I don't like planning for 32 blind on fixtures plus I could see logic in Leicester and Liverpool players in the run up plus Bournemouth at the end. Plus most 31 players work well in 33.

I did consider not using FH at all in 31 or 32 but that would mean fielding about 8 in 31 and then taking hits to ensure minimum 8 doubles in 32. Only to then have to reverse back.

My 31 line up did ok in 30. I will have 11 starters hopefully in 31 and 33. And can be all over 32 with full fixture knowledge. From 34 I can realign a little then TC in 35 or 36 I suspect. Although 38 might work given nobody will get rested.

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by SirMattBugsby » 16 Mar 2019, 01:13

Wow, this is tough. I'll take care not to use the early WC next time unless it's an emergency. Then again, there's always an emergency

Chelsea seem to be the team that can be helpful in going smoothly from 31->32->33. Nearly certain DGW 32 and (WHU) 33. I don't fancy the 31 fixture (eve) that much but to make the transfer permanent, it needs to be this week if I decide to FH next GW.

I've already quoted Ruth_NZ here once and his latest post on significance of European draw is very helpful as well. The FH GW32 might be good because imo, GW 34 is manageable with a decent 31-33 squad plus Spurs.

Man City (cpa) and United (WHU) have good fixtures in 34 but the GW is between UCL legs. Chelsea have (liv).

As a non-WCer, I'm prepared to take an avg. hit of -4 for the next 2-3 GWs as long as I land nicely come GW 34. That's where the majority of WCs will be deployed.

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by SirMattBugsby » 16 Mar 2019, 09:12

bcfc1903 wrote:Excellent post and one that this interesting person (hmmmm) has thought, thought and thought a bit more....

My first input is that i'm reasonably comfortable that i am going to use my free hit on one of the double gameweeks in 35 or 37 in that I will have information on those teams whom have likely used their wildcard in GW34. I can then look at maximising double gameweek players, whilst potentially attaining the best of the single gameweek players.

The triple captain will be yielded in one of the other double gameweeks, hopefully GW32 when Man City have a double (Fulham, Cardiff)....

I am going to compromise and West Ham are my initial compromise. Belting fixture on paper this GW but i loathe GW333/34 and with the uncertainty around WHU players, I'll stick with Antonio. Not ideal but short term points hits with a team with poor fixtures in the medium term would IMO be better used in one of the probable 3 double gameweeks.
raoul wrote:Good thread idea (says the person who started the playing GW31 thread for a similar reason).

I have just FH and TC to play. I looked at FH31 and FH32 and could only see the latter working for me. I don't like planning for 32 blind on fixtures plus I could see logic in Leicester and Liverpool players in the run up plus Bournemouth at the end. Plus most 31 players work well in 33.

I did consider not using FH at all in 31 or 32 but that would mean fielding about 8 in 31 and then taking hits to ensure minimum 8 doubles in 32. Only to then have to reverse back.

My 31 line up did ok in 30. I will have 11 starters hopefully in 31 and 33. And can be all over 32 with full fixture knowledge. From 34 I can realign a little then TC in 35 or 36 I suspect. Although 38 might work given nobody will get rested.
So guys... What's the plan? How many playing this week? FHing 32 or later?

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by raoul » 16 Mar 2019, 11:12

I have 12 for this week. A bit greedy perhaps but I can see TAA or Fraser perhaps not playing and it is also aimed at GW33 plans.

Will FH next week.

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by huey » 16 Mar 2019, 11:35

Here's my plan: 9 or 10 play this week for no hits, trying to stay flexible and gain advantage by not playing FH or WC until after GW33.

My team right now

As it stands right now I will field 9 this week (10 if Yedlin plays). Pogba, Doherty, AWB and Jimenez are on the bench.

I have an expensive midfield (Salah, Mane, Hazard, Pogba) and cheap strikers (Vardy, Jimenez, Rondon). I still have all chips. I might use my TC on Pogba next week.

I'm concerned I might regret using WC or FH over the next 3 weeks. Do you think they'll give me a more noticeable advantage later? Here are my fears and hopes:

The fear:

The guy right behind me in my league can only field 6 players this week, so is likely to FH. He will therefore get a 1 or 2 player advantage over me this week.

Let's say he plays Wilson or Maddison in place of my benched Jimenez or Pogba. I could block that threat by taking a hit. But then I'd miss out on the extra fixture next week. Seems like fear driving me to waste points.

The hope:

Maybe it's better to have a flexible plan that allows me to respond to the uncertainties ahead. I can field a decent enough team over GW31-34 by taking a max of 4 points in hits:

After this week, I'm thinking I'd get more return for Kane than Salah between now and the end of the season. Same is probably true for Aubameyang or Aguero. So I need to make a double transfer at some point. Do I need to WC? Maybe not.

I can replace Salah next week for a Man City mid.

I could then make the double switch (Hazard to Mkhitaryan, Vardy to Kane) ready for GW33 Kane vs BHA for a hit, or bank my transfer and do it free for GW34.

Where I would end up

By that stage I may have lost a little ground to the guy behind, but I'll be well-poised to decide how to use my WC and FH, with GW35 and GW37 being likely opportunities. but hopefully I'll be in a position to get more value from my chips then than he gets now.

I'd appreciate anyone else's perspective though. Am I being too cautious in hoarding my chips? Is it better to keep my lead than potentially play catch-up later?

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by blahblah » 16 Mar 2019, 11:42

If Lascelles had been fit I was going to go with 6+LeiMendy, but he tipped the FH Scales from next GW to this one :(

My Squad is solid enough season long, so maybe a hit next GW to get Kun in for Kane and Laporte\Mendy for Lascelles; and onking my brain cell on whether to start the 3 Lpool Def's.


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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by SirMattBugsby » 16 Mar 2019, 11:56

blahblah wrote:If Lascelles had been fit I was going to go with 6+LeiMendy, but he tipped the FH Scales from next GW to this one :(

My Squad is solid enough season long, so maybe a hit next GW to get Kun in for Kane and Laporte\Mendy for Lascelles; and onking my brain cell on whether to start the 3 Lpool Def's.


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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by SirMattBugsby » 16 Mar 2019, 12:12

blahblah wrote: If Lascelles had been fit I was going to go with 6+LeiMendy, but he tipped the FH Scales from next GW to this one :(

My Squad is solid enough season long, so maybe a hit next GW to get Kun in for Kane and Laporte\Mendy for Lascelles; and onking my brain cell on whether to start the 3 Lpool Def's.


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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by blahblah » 16 Mar 2019, 12:19

In, lol

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by Billy Bongo » 17 Mar 2019, 11:00

I'm just gonna spend every week, as I have been doing and have been getting greeny heaven

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by SirMattBugsby » 17 Mar 2019, 18:39

raoul wrote:I have 12 for this week. A bit greedy perhaps but I can see TAA or Fraser perhaps not playing and it is also aimed at GW33 plans.

Will FH next week.

Boruc
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Captain is currently Wilson. Whether I am brave enough to stick with this is another matter.
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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by raoul » 18 Mar 2019, 00:37

Ok am signed up:)

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by raoul » 18 Mar 2019, 00:40

GW31 is done. And what a crapfest.

Does this help those with no WC?

Or is it affecting everyone equally?

If others have burned a FH Chip and got nothing this helps us right?

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by SirMattBugsby » 18 Mar 2019, 23:19

]It does help, although not in direct competition with a WCer. Not having spent the FH would be a big plus.

I'm now wondering if GW 32 can also be maneuvered without a FH. The extra fixture can sometimes cloud judgement, and I wouldn't mind playing a Liverpool double-up plus SGW players like Vardy and Fraser.

Another factor making me reconsider using FH is the viability of other chips this GW. Will I get a better opportunity to play the FH? Maybe, maybe not. But TC and even BB are also good options this week and may very well not be later.

Sterling (TC) Aguero (TVC)? Looks good

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by Stevieste » 19 Mar 2019, 05:19

Thats was what i thought last time Man city had a DGW and i used my TC on Sterling and Aguero got a hat trick in 1st game.

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by Oxford NZ » 19 Mar 2019, 05:43

I have already decided on my TCGW32 strategy and I am sticking to it ( I think :oops: ).

Play the TC chip on a City player and take a -8 to sort my team out but not adding extra doublers at the expense of GW33
I can field 7 doublers with three captain options and have a playing bench for GW32 and can field 10 starters for GW33 with a further -4.
With the -4 from GW31 that is sixteen points planned hits. I have picked the wrong players but that that is how this game goes given my level of input to player selection. A 60k drop in or was almost expected.
Still trying to work out the rest of the season and good luck to all of the FISO posters.

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by SirMattBugsby » 19 Mar 2019, 19:22


Stevieste wrote:Thats was what i thought last time Man city had a DGW and i used my TC on Sterling and Aguero got a hat trick in 1st game.
Valid point Steve. It's always difficult to tell where Man City returns will come from, not least because of the unsurety of starting. That's one strategic advantage of FH over TC this GW imo.

Oxford NZ wrote: I have already decided on my TCGW32 strategy and I am sticking to it ( I think :oops: ).

Play the TC chip on a City player and take a -8 to sort my team out but not adding extra doublers at the expense of GW33
I can field 7 doublers with three captain options and have a playing bench for GW32 and can field 10 starters for GW33 with a further -4.
With the -4 from GW31 that is sixteen points planned hits. I have picked the wrong players but that that is how this game goes given my level of input to player selection. A 60k drop in or was almost expected.
Still trying to work out the rest of the season and good luck to all of the FISO posters.
So, when will you be FHing ONZ? Is the -8 and -4 to add players for the rest of the season, or just short-term to exploit DGW/BGW advantage?

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

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SirMattBugsby wrote:
19 Mar 2019, 19:22

So, when will you be FHing ONZ? Is the -8 and -4 to add players for the rest of the season, or just short-term to exploit DGW/BGW advantage?
Building for the remaining fixtures Sir Matt.
I am not far short of my season OR target ( a 20 point swing would hit the mark I think) so no need to be moving too far from where I am, but I have a taste for hits this season. I am only watching selected games and highlights of others so my picks are fairly poor and need updating quickly. My team value is not bad as a result though. Union and ODI's seem to consume more time than EPL atm.
No FH I blew that early doors as I did not want to fit it into a blank dgw scenario.

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by blahblah » 20 Mar 2019, 08:32

I have pretty much stopped watching and the Green Arrows flow 8-)

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

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SirMattBugsby wrote:
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1) is exactly the point. The next BGW is cancelled out, so is best ignored unless you still have FH. Despite their recent lapses, I'm not about to dump my Lpool 3, but it will be 7 GW decision not DGW related.....

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by wonkypenguin » 20 Mar 2019, 14:28

My problem is GW32+33 without being here :( I'm going away on a boat trip today, and won't have internet access until after the GW33 deadline, so trying to pick my team a tad early that covers the double and the blank gameweek! I really think this ruins my season! :(

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by SirMattBugsby » 21 Mar 2019, 01:26

wonkypenguin wrote: My problem is GW32+33 without being here :( I'm going away on a boat trip today, and won't have internet access until after the GW33 deadline, so trying to pick my team a tad early that covers the double and the blank gameweek! I really think this ruins my season! :(
If you have 8 or more players in GW 33, FH for 32. Have a Man City player as (c), and a Pool player (or Hazard) as (vc). That way you'll have a captain for 33 as well.

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by Oxford NZ » 21 Mar 2019, 03:40

wonkypenguin wrote:
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My problem is GW32+33 without being here :( I'm going away on a boat trip today, and won't have internet access until after the GW33 deadline, so trying to pick my team a tad early that covers the double and the blank gameweek! I really think this ruins my season! :(
Give your FPL log in to a mate with instructions what to do. Enjoy the boat trip it sounds like more fun than FPL anyway. :-)

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by SirMattBugsby » 21 Mar 2019, 07:31

Getting an extra 'hit' at a blank/double? That'd be one happy mate

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

Post by SirMattBugsby » 21 Mar 2019, 15:10

There's debate on FISO whether the WC or FH would be a better move in GW 32, and it's a dilemma that extends to non-WCers as well.

At the heart of the dilemma are, for me, the fringe teams. Brighton, Southampton and Cardiff are fighting to avoid the third relegation spot and have DGWs in 32, 34 and 35. Meanwhile, 31/33 teams like Bournemouth, Leicester, West Ham and Newcastle are likely safe and have no DGWs. The odd ones out are Palace (DGW 32, not out of relegation battle yet) and Burnley (in relegation battle, decent fixtures 32-34).

I'd initially thought of FHing 32, saving a FT and then play a mini-WC in 34. But in the situation outlined above, would it be better to make those transfers in 32 (and maybe play another chip), FH in 33 and be ahead of the WCing teams by 34? If the hits in 32 can be restricted to -8 and the TC/BB in 32 has potential, it's worth some thought.

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Re: GW 31-38 without WC

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