2018/19 Premium defenders 6.0+

[Stemania]

Surely they'll get in a replacement LB should he go - I know Kurzawa has been linked.

If he goes and isn't replaced, I'll probably be on the Davies train too!

[Pirlo's Beard]

Poor Danny Rose..... he probably hasn't even heard of any of Schalke's players.

[Arhaych]

Surely they'll get in a replacement LB should he go - I know Kurzawa has been linked.

If he goes and isn't replaced, I'll probably be on the Davies train too!

Kyle Walker-Peters may be used as backup left-back, been given minutes there in pre-season apparently.

[math!]

So Davies, Mendy, Arnold, and the 4.0m starters is a potential direction I could go. Basically Boly gets upgraded to Davies.

[Stemania]

So Davies, Mendy, Arnold, and the 4.0m starters is a potential direction I could go.

I would almost certainly do this too if Davies was left as the only top LB.

[sunbather]

Danny Rose in talks with Schalke over a loan move.

This cements Ben Davies's place in my team.

Ooh yes, it's a toss up for me between Davies and Mendy at the moment.

Are all the Mendy owners planning on playing him first GW? I'm concerned about his rotation risk generally and feel like I'd rather have the more likely 6+ points on the board in the first week than the Arsenal away game. Am I playing it too safe?

[Billy Bongo]

Pva to outscore Davies this season bookmark this

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[Arhaych]

Danny Rose in talks with Schalke over a loan move.

This cements Ben Davies's place in my team.

Ooh yes, it's a toss up for me between Davies and Mendy at the moment.

Are all the Mendy owners planning on playing him first GW? I'm concerned about his rotation risk generally and feel like I'd rather have the more likely 6+ points on the board in the first week than the Arsenal away game. Am I playing it too safe?

I'm a Mendy owner and I'll be playing him GW1.

[germainelefoe]

Seeing Mendy and Robertson in lots of teams. Are we convinced they're both nailed? Delph looked amazing last year, thinking about spending the extra outlay to get Otamendi for security of starts. Robertson also was in and out of the team.

I feel Robertson is clear 1st choice. He has just way more quality than Moreno. There might be rotation when there are important CL fixtures on the horizon but imo apart from that he is nailed.

Mendy I am not so sure about. There's Delph and possibly Danilo? that could take his place and have been listening to podcasts saying Sane can come in at LWB. I want him (Mendy) in my team but I'm unsure. Ederson and then Walker definitely the most nailed in that defence.

[Owsler]

6 mil is a lot to be unsure (re. Mendy). I've got TAA/Robertson and PVA at the moment + 2 4.0s. Feel like I need a more nailed on third defender.

[Billy Bongo]

Theres nothing to be unsure about with Mendy, nothing, hes a beast, and first choice

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[Desperado]

Really difficult to see Delph getting anything more than couple of odd games instead of Mendy. I can see two tactical roles for Pep's wingbacks but it's nearly as insane to leave fully fit Mendy aside because of Delph as it would be to leave Salah on the bench when Liverpool faces bunch of midgets because they want crosses in the box from right flank. The part what Delph played last year was just to occupy left flank and pass the ball 5 yards to MC/DC. It was so reduced that even Zinchencthing excelled in that role. Mendy gives all that plus so much more.

[Jason Bourne]

Seeing Mendy and Robertson in lots of teams. Are we convinced they're both nailed? Delph looked amazing last year, thinking about spending the extra outlay to get Otamendi for security of starts. Robertson also was in and out of the team.

Robertson is nailed on.

Mendy is not. Pep has said he is useful but he will use multiple formations. He has made big use of inverted fullbacks at very club he has worked at in rotation with different tactics, it's this role that Delph has made his own.

Bottom line, it's not simple rotation, it's tactical.

When pep wants width he will use Mendy as a wingbaxk.

When pep wants to overload midfiled he will use Delph as an inverted wingback.

That depends on the style of who they are playing. That's football.

This is it here. Delph and mendy have different skillsets and fundamentally Pep teams look to control the midfield. Sterling/Sane/Mahrez are wide options as well, add this to the fact he's coming off a cruciate I don't think pep will play him heavy minutes week in week out.

[Blue Fire]

Really difficult to see Delph getting anything more than couple of odd games instead of Mendy. I can see two tactical roles for Pep's wingbacks but it's nearly as insane to leave fully fit Mendy aside because of Delph as it would be to leave Salah on the bench when Liverpool faces bunch of midgets because they want crosses in the box from right flank. The part what Delph played last year was just to occupy left flank and pass the ball 5 yards to MC/DC. It was so reduced that even Zinchencthing excelled in that role. Mendy gives all that plus so much more.

This. The only danger is that Mendy is coming back from a long term injury, so he might miss the occasional game to not over-exert himself

[3 men and a bebe]

Can't really afford both, which one are people think? Or both? Or Neither?

[TheBigLewandowski]

Both are looking hard to resist at this moment in time.

[baganboy]

AND

[hancockjr]

Mendy is a must have. Not so sure about Alonso. I think he’s not as advanced as he was so may not keep up his attacking output. I think his assist in game 1 was his only venture into the box.

Not sure on this though - just a feeling.

[Jamtart]

I feel like both is the best bet for now. Along with Robertson with their current fixtures for a terrible trio at the back!

[HungryHungrySuarez]

Mendy Alonso and Robertson are all capable of outscoring the similarly priced mids and fwds. Seems sensible to pick up at least 2 of those?

[Owsler]

I've got Mendy and feel I need Alonso. Would anyone ditch PVA for Alonso?

[hancockjr]

Mendy Alonso and Robertson are all capable of outscoring the similarly priced mids and fwds. Seems sensible to pick up at least 2 of those?

I hear this quite often but don't think it's a valid comparison.

You would also have to compare the alternatives in the position, and 4.5m defenders also outscore 4.5m mids/forwards - indeed AWB is only 4m.

My current wildcard team doesn't have Alonso, which may be a mistake but what would you do to bring him in?

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[The Real Slim Shady]

I already have Mendy and Robertson and thinking about bringing in Alonso for Bailly. Due to rise tonight.

[hancockjr]

Mendy Alonso and Robertson are all capable of outscoring the similarly priced mids and fwds. Seems sensible to pick up at least 2 of those?

I hear this quite often but don't think it's a valid comparison.

You would also have to compare the alternatives in the position, and 4.5m defenders also outscore 4.5m mids/forwards - indeed AWB is only 4m.

My current wildcard team doesn't have Alonso, which may be a mistake but what would you do to bring him in?

Actually could have

Firmino and Alonso

instead of

Aubameyang and TAA

May do that.

[Taksim_Red]

Mendy Alonso and Robertson are all capable of outscoring the similarly priced mids and fwds. Seems sensible to pick up at least 2 of those?

I hear this quite often but don't think it's a valid comparison.

You would also have to compare the alternatives in the position, and 4.5m defenders also outscore 4.5m mids/forwards - indeed AWB is only 4m.

My current wildcard team doesn't have Alonso, which may be a mistake but what would you do to bring him in?

Actually could have

Firmino and Alonso

instead of

Aubameyang and TAA

May do that.

I was just about to recommended you the same.

[Blue Fire]

I already have Mendy and Robertson and thinking about bringing in Alonso for Bailly. Due to rise tonight.

In the same boat. Have already spent my FT(s) so it'd be for a hit

[Football Hero]

Mendy Alonso and Robertson are all capable of outscoring the similarly priced mids and fwds. Seems sensible to pick up at least 2 of those?

I hear this quite often but don't think it's a valid comparison.

You would also have to compare the alternatives in the position, and 4.5m defenders also outscore 4.5m mids/forwards - indeed AWB is only 4m.

My current wildcard team doesn't have Alonso, which may be a mistake but what would you do to bring him in?

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Why is it not a valid comparison?

At the end of the day if a forward for 6.0M or a mid for 6.0M is averaging 3.5ppg and a defender for 6.0M is averaging 4.5ppg say, then you are better off having the defender. If that means that you have to play a 'more defensive' 4-4-2 instead of a 'more attacking' 3-4-3 then so be it. At the end of the day you shouldn't really care what formation you end up putting out, so long as you are maximising your total points expectation.

So it's a completely valid comparison and is a huge reason why FPL have messed up the premium defender pricing over the last few years, by making them too cheap compared to similarly priced options in midfield and up-front.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mendy gave someone as high priced as Alli a run for their money for total season points, yet you can pick him up for 3.0M less. It's silly.

[Patrician]

I am currently forecasting Mendy as scoring more points than any other player this season!


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[tommygun25]

I've got Mendy and feel I need Alonso. Would anyone ditch PVA for Alonso?

Maybe depends if you have AWB

[hancockjr]

Mendy Alonso and Robertson are all capable of outscoring the similarly priced mids and fwds. Seems sensible to pick up at least 2 of those?

I hear this quite often but don't think it's a valid comparison.

You would also have to compare the alternatives in the position, and 4.5m defenders also outscore 4.5m mids/forwards - indeed AWB is only 4m.

My current wildcard team doesn't have Alonso, which may be a mistake but what would you do to bring him in?

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Why is it not a valid comparison?

At the end of the day if a forward for 6.0M or a mid for 6.0M is averaging 3.5ppg and a defender for 6.0M is averaging 4.5ppg say, then you are better off having the defender. If that means that you have to play a 'more defensive' 4-4-2 instead of a 'more attacking' 3-4-3 then so be it. At the end of the day you shouldn't really care what formation you end up putting out, so long as you are maximising your total points expectation.

So it's a completely valid comparison and is a huge reason why FPL have messed up the premium defender pricing over the last few years, by making them too cheap compared to similarly priced options in midfield and up-front.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mendy gave someone as high priced as Alli a run for their money for total season points, yet you can pick him up for 3.0M less. It's silly.

Imagine FPL made every defender £10m more expensive, but gave you £50m more funds. It should not affect who you pick, but the cheapest defenders would be priced like expensive mids. You should still pick the same defenders though.

In reality there are pickable £4.0m defenders, who will play if necessary and keep their value. You really have to go to £5m for pickable mids.

It's not a comparison without merit, but it is more complex than a simple points for points comparison because ultimately you have to have 5 mids and 5 defenders, and only 11 players can play every week.