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Fabregas is a quality player in a quality team. I'm just worried he becomes the architect assisting the assister, a key player for them and a bomb in fpl

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Pirlo's Beard wrote:Didier Drogba :shock:
Wow, well at 36 he's surely not going to be starting too many games. Maybe he's there for Lukaku's benefit, train with him, see how he plays, learn his style of play... that kind of thing?

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Billy Bongo wrote:Fabregas is a quality player in a quality team. I'm just worried he becomes the architect assisting the assister, a key player for them and a bomb in fpl

Nobody has a clue yet. Just wait and see how they play in the last friendly or two.

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Seems like Torres is on his way back to Atletico... (not that it matters FPL wise apart from several optimists...)

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Mav3rick wrote:
Pirlo's Beard wrote:Didier Drogba :shock:
Wow, well at 36 he's surely not going to be starting too many games. Maybe he's there for Lukaku's benefit, train with him, see how he plays, learn his style of play... that kind of thing?
if it happens will be incredible to have drogba back, great option to have on the bench. great signing for the dressing room too after losing lampard, squad is lacking natural leaders now other than terry.

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I think I would stay away from Costa. I have not considered him for a second and even if he was 8.5 I still would avoid. Having watched him over last season and the joke of a WC he had, he seems extremely overrated to me. Not only, as pointed out earlier in this thread, does he look like he will be out of his element with the physical nature of the defenses in the Prem. He also is a victim of the penalty factor.

I cannot locate the number exactly but I read a couple of months ago about the number of his goals which were from penalties and it was substantial. I am not certain if Hazard will retain the penalty duty or not but it is still important to note how Costa's goal tally is padded by this number. He looks to be a decent player (nothing more) and I really hope I am wrong as we need a great striker. But at this time I am banking on him being another one of the Chelsea striker flops of epic proportions.

My pick at this time is Cesc due to history and whether he plays in the hole or alongside Matic in more of a box to box role he should be incredibly effective.

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Mav3rick wrote:
Pirlo's Beard wrote:Didier Drogba :shock:
Wow, well at 36 he's surely not going to be starting too many games. Maybe he's there for Lukaku's benefit, train with him, see how he plays, learn his style of play... that kind of thing?

Tells you all you need to know about Mourhino's confidence in Costa.

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ctibbits wrote:I think I would stay away from Costa. I have not considered him for a second and even if he was 8.5 I still would avoid. Having watched him over last season and the joke of a WC he had, he seems extremely overrated to me. Not only, as pointed out earlier in this thread, does he look like he will be out of his element with the physical nature of the defenses in the Prem. He also is a victim of the penalty factor.

I cannot locate the number exactly but I read a couple of months ago about the number of his goals which were from penalties and it was substantial. I am not certain if Hazard will retain the penalty duty or not but it is still important to note how Costa's goal tally is padded by this number. He looks to be a decent player (nothing more) and I really hope I am wrong as we need a great striker. But at this time I am banking on him being another one of the Chelsea striker flops of epic proportions.

My pick at this time is Cesc due to history and whether he plays in the hole or alongside Matic in more of a box to box role he should be incredibly effective.


...and there you have it, no 'club bias' here, just someone that watches football as opposed to studying the numbers.

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ctibbits wrote:I think I would stay away from Costa. I have not considered him for a second and even if he was 8.5 I still would avoid. Having watched him over last season and the joke of a WC he had, he seems extremely overrated to me. Not only, as pointed out earlier in this thread, does he look like he will be out of his element with the physical nature of the defenses in the Prem. He also is a victim of the penalty factor.

I cannot locate the number exactly but I read a couple of months ago about the number of his goals which were from penalties and it was substantial. I am not certain if Hazard will retain the penalty duty or not but it is still important to note how Costa's goal tally is padded by this number. He looks to be a decent player (nothing more) and I really hope I am wrong as we need a great striker. But at this time I am banking on him being another one of the Chelsea striker flops of epic proportions.

My pick at this time is Cesc due to history and whether he plays in the hole or alongside Matic in more of a box to box role he should be incredibly effective.
Mourinho knows what he wants for his team and he knows the Spanish players very well. I don't think he would get it so badly wrong.

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ctibbits wrote:I think I would stay away from Costa. I have not considered him for a second and even if he was 8.5 I still would avoid. Having watched him over last season and the joke of a WC he had, he seems extremely overrated to me. Not only, as pointed out earlier in this thread, does he look like he will be out of his element with the physical nature of the defenses in the Prem. He also is a victim of the penalty factor.

I cannot locate the number exactly but I read a couple of months ago about the number of his goals which were from penalties and it was substantial. I am not certain if Hazard will retain the penalty duty or not but it is still important to note how Costa's goal tally is padded by this number. He looks to be a decent player (nothing more) and I really hope I am wrong as we need a great striker. But at this time I am banking on him being another one of the Chelsea striker flops of epic proportions.

My pick at this time is Cesc due to history and whether he plays in the hole or alongside Matic in more of a box to box role he should be incredibly effective.
If Fabregas is basically Lampard v2 then I agree he could be decent, although I doubt he will have the pens. As a box-to-box midfielder, much as described here (http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/evo ... c-fabregas" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) he could be a decent acquisition. It's difficult to pick him in that role over say Ramsey, but perhaps you're right and he might be better than Costa (with the saving too) as early Chelsea coverage if he is playing in that role. Will be something to keep an eye on in the friendlies.

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Mav3rick wrote:
ctibbits wrote:I think I would stay away from Costa. I have not considered him for a second and even if he was 8.5 I still would avoid. Having watched him over last season and the joke of a WC he had, he seems extremely overrated to me. Not only, as pointed out earlier in this thread, does he look like he will be out of his element with the physical nature of the defenses in the Prem. He also is a victim of the penalty factor.

I cannot locate the number exactly but I read a couple of months ago about the number of his goals which were from penalties and it was substantial. I am not certain if Hazard will retain the penalty duty or not but it is still important to note how Costa's goal tally is padded by this number. He looks to be a decent player (nothing more) and I really hope I am wrong as we need a great striker. But at this time I am banking on him being another one of the Chelsea striker flops of epic proportions.

My pick at this time is Cesc due to history and whether he plays in the hole or alongside Matic in more of a box to box role he should be incredibly effective.
If Fabregas is basically Lampard v2 then I agree he could be decent, although I doubt he will have the pens. As a box-to-box midfielder, much as described here (http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/evo ... c-fabregas" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) he could be a decent acquisition. It's difficult to pick him in that role over say Ramsey, but perhaps you're right and he might be better than Costa (with the saving too) as early Chelsea coverage if he is playing in that role. Will be something to keep an eye on in the friendlies.
I think Fabregas will get goals and assists wherever he is put. That's his game, and he's proven it every single season since he broke through at Arsenal.

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magicdave wrote: I think Fabregas will get goals and assists wherever he is put. That's his game, and he's proven it every single season since he broke through at Arsenal.
Yes, but the question is will he get enough of them for his price in FPL. His position in the team, and particularly the freedom or not he is afforded to influence play, are key to that. We've seen a few differing opinions of how he might be utilised, the box-to-box model seems most likely to me, but we need to see how effective he is, perhaps in pre-season performances, before deciding. Any other position, on him or Costa right now is just a guess.

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magicdave wrote:
ctibbits wrote:I think I would stay away from Costa. I have not considered him for a second and even if he was 8.5 I still would avoid. Having watched him over last season and the joke of a WC he had, he seems extremely overrated to me. Not only, as pointed out earlier in this thread, does he look like he will be out of his element with the physical nature of the defenses in the Prem. He also is a victim of the penalty factor.

I cannot locate the number exactly but I read a couple of months ago about the number of his goals which were from penalties and it was substantial. I am not certain if Hazard will retain the penalty duty or not but it is still important to note how Costa's goal tally is padded by this number. He looks to be a decent player (nothing more) and I really hope I am wrong as we need a great striker. But at this time I am banking on him being another one of the Chelsea striker flops of epic proportions.

My pick at this time is Cesc due to history and whether he plays in the hole or alongside Matic in more of a box to box role he should be incredibly effective.
Mourinho knows what he wants for his team and he knows the Spanish players very well. I don't think he would get it so badly wrong.
Casillas and Mata would argue that point.

What does Nationality have to do with it anyway?

Mourhino knows strikers, Kezman, Shevchenko, Torres and Robben, none of those have done as well as they should have done under him, he sent Lukaku away, they probably would have won the league had they kept him and his only real success has been Drogba who excelled after he left as well.

Its safe to say that the striker department is not his strongest strength in management.

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Said earlier/ elsewhere that Barkley would have been preferable to Fab for that role, simply for the extra years to come. But we have Fab, proven performer, he will do well for us.

We'll score 70+ this season, how many more, who knows? He'll get and assist his fair share.

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gunnersaurus wrote:
ctibbits wrote:I think I would stay away from Costa. I have not considered him for a second and even if he was 8.5 I still would avoid. Having watched him over last season and the joke of a WC he had, he seems extremely overrated to me. Not only, as pointed out earlier in this thread, does he look like he will be out of his element with the physical nature of the defenses in the Prem. He also is a victim of the penalty factor.

I cannot locate the number exactly but I read a couple of months ago about the number of his goals which were from penalties and it was substantial. I am not certain if Hazard will retain the penalty duty or not but it is still important to note how Costa's goal tally is padded by this number. He looks to be a decent player (nothing more) and I really hope I am wrong as we need a great striker. But at this time I am banking on him being another one of the Chelsea striker flops of epic proportions.

My pick at this time is Cesc due to history and whether he plays in the hole or alongside Matic in more of a box to box role he should be incredibly effective.


...and there you have it, no 'club bias' here, just someone that watches football as opposed to studying the numbers.

Quality post.
Lol he's a clueless yank. You are making yourself out to be not much better superhans.
"will be out of his element with the physical nature of the defenses in the Prem." lool physicality is costa's main strength.
Football fans are so fickle, everybody was raving about Costa for Atletico. He has a couple of poor games for Spain and he's shite :lol:

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Wait till Shawcross and Huth get their hands on him, more yellows and reds than goals.

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Costa is a hard nut, that's for sure, certainly no softie. But he's a wait and see for me.

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gunnersaurus wrote:
Mav3rick wrote:
Pirlo's Beard wrote:Didier Drogba :shock:
Wow, well at 36 he's surely not going to be starting too many games. Maybe he's there for Lukaku's benefit, train with him, see how he plays, learn his style of play... that kind of thing?

Tells you all you need to know about Mourhino's confidence in Costa.
What were your views when Arsenal re-signed an ageing Thierry Henry?

I personally thought it was an excellent signing. I didn't think he'd get very much game time but his experience could only have a positive effect on the strikers already at Arsenal.

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Crooker wrote:
gunnersaurus wrote:
ctibbits wrote:I think I would stay away from Costa. I have not considered him for a second and even if he was 8.5 I still would avoid. Having watched him over last season and the joke of a WC he had, he seems extremely overrated to me. Not only, as pointed out earlier in this thread, does he look like he will be out of his element with the physical nature of the defenses in the Prem. He also is a victim of the penalty factor.

I cannot locate the number exactly but I read a couple of months ago about the number of his goals which were from penalties and it was substantial. I am not certain if Hazard will retain the penalty duty or not but it is still important to note how Costa's goal tally is padded by this number. He looks to be a decent player (nothing more) and I really hope I am wrong as we need a great striker. But at this time I am banking on him being another one of the Chelsea striker flops of epic proportions.

My pick at this time is Cesc due to history and whether he plays in the hole or alongside Matic in more of a box to box role he should be incredibly effective.


...and there you have it, no 'club bias' here, just someone that watches football as opposed to studying the numbers.

Quality post.
Lol he's a clueless yank. You are making yourself out to be not much better superhans.
"will be out of his element with the physical nature of the defenses in the Prem." lool physicality is costa's main strength.
Football fans are so fickle, everybody was raving about Costa for Atletico. He has a couple of poor games for Spain and he's shite :lol:
Clueless yank :roll: ...how much of Costa have you actually watched play? Just because he is big doesn't mean physicality is his main strength. Several scouting reports actually had the "physical" hold up play as the weakest part of his game. Since I'm just a clueless yank perhaps you could enlighten me as to what you have seen to make you think Costa will be successful in the prem?

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I'm guessing he won't be replying.

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Don't know about Crooker but choosing between 1) the opinion of one of the best coaches in the world who thinks he's up to it over 2) the opinion of a couple of armchair football fans on an internet forum who don't....I'm going to go with option 1. :lol:

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Costa was the only striker on he market, pound to a penny he preferred Falcao

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Maldini wrote:Don't know about Crooker but choosing between 1) the opinion of one of the best coaches in the world who thinks he's up to it over 2) the opinion of a couple of armchair football fans on an internet forum who don't....I'm going to go with option 1. :lol:
2 things.

1.) Speak for yourself re the armchair thing.

2.)If you come on here expecting to converse with the best managers in the world than you are a bigger idiot than you came across in that last post, you come on here for opinions from armchair fans and non armchair fans.

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1) I'm a season ticket holder.

2) I'm well aware that it's highly likely I'll be conversing with opinionated people like yourself and not the best managers in the world. I was just highlighting how daft it would be for people to even consider your opinion on a player over that of Mourinho. :lol:

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So what's the point playing fpl then? Jose kept picking Torres

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Fergie bought Ralph Milne and Bebe

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Billy Bongo wrote:Fergie bought Ralph Milne and Bebe
Happy anniversary Billy. 4,000 posts in a year :shock:

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Maldini wrote:
2) I'm well aware that it's highly likely I'll be conversing with opinionated people like yourself and not the best managers in the world. I was just highlighting how daft it would be for people to even consider your opinion on a player over that of Mourinho. :lol:
If it weren't for opinions there'd be no football as there'd be no interest. Do you really think that Mourinho, or anyone else for that matter, is flawless in their judgement? If he was so smart we'd have won the title being perfectly positioned with 4 games to play, but his team choice/ tactics sucked big time in our final 2 home games, he lost us the title. And in no small part that was down to his failure to buy a striker in January, he promised at the time that we'd see why he waited, I think many of us are thinking that a title in the hand and maybe a better shot at the CL would have been worth whatever the cost for someone then and there.

Costa may turn out to be a great striker for us but that's hope rather than any degree of belief. Drogba or Ivanovich could easily turn out to be top scorer for us this coming season.

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Where have I said that he's never wrong?

All I've said was, and I'm 100% correct, is that I value his opinion over that of a guy who thinks he's the next Guardiola just because he's quite good at FPL. :D

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Mav3rick wrote:
Billy Bongo wrote:Fergie bought Ralph Milne and Bebe
Happy anniversary Billy. 4,000 posts in a year :shock:
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