FISO ISO 2019/2020

[coleridge]

Malrom, sorry no real idea why you can't see the sky thread, unless you are not scrolling down far enough, when I click on fiso forums skysports fantasy football is the 26th thread down between the old ofl thread and a daily mail ff thread.

As for consequences, its not my call obviously but I personally don't think there should be any, you obviously didn't seek to gain any advantage and you used four extra transfers to make your team more like everyone else's, that seems to be more than enough punishment for anyone .

[coleridge]

Although I was eager to shut down any discussion re rule changes before/during the overhaul, it seems obvious that we have now outgrown the current rules.

I still think we would be best served making the final decision towards the end of the season, but now the overhaul is over, it seems sensible to canvas opinion.

At the moment I think my preferred option would be to leave the opening weekend as it is and then have it voluntary whether you followed the previous year winners overhaul team, this way we still get lively debate during the overhaul, but no problem if people forget or dislike the team.

I personally would almost certainly go with previous year winners overhaul team provided they had done likewise .

What's everyone else's thoughts?

[rodduz]

Although I was eager to shut down any discussion re rule changes before/during the overhaul, it seems obvious that we have now outgrown the current rules.

I still think we would be best served making the final decision towards the end of the season, but now the overhaul is over, it seems sensible to canvas opinion.

At the moment I think my preferred option would be to leave the opening weekend as it is and then have it voluntary whether you followed the previous year winners overhaul team, this way we still get lively debate during the overhaul, but no problem if people forget or dislike the team.

I personally would almost certainly go with previous year winners overhaul team provided they had done likewise .

What's everyone else's thoughts?

For me I like the idea of a 'reset' at every overhaul as otherwise it just makes it another league

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[coleridge]

Just to clarify I'm only referring to the first (September) overhaul, the later (March?) overhaul has always been a free for all.

[Malrom]

Malrom, sorry no real idea why you can't see the sky thread, unless you are not scrolling down far enough, when I click on fiso forums skysports fantasy football is the 26th thread down between the old ofl thread and a daily mail ff thread.

As for consequences, its not my call obviously but I personally don't think there should be any, you obviously didn't seek to gain any advantage and you used four extra transfers to make your team more like everyone else's, that seems to be more than enough punishment for anyone .

I obviously didn't explain it well enoguh, coleridge, I'm sorry!
I know my way to the Sky thread, no problem, but I do not access it regularly.
I normally use the View Latest: 1 Day way, but the SKY thread doesn't appear there. I would have come across it, if it would. And I certainly would have seen all the posts.

Again, I have only myself to blame!
Thank you for your proposal, I would happily go with it.

[Northernmonkey]

Although I was eager to shut down any discussion re rule changes before/during the overhaul, it seems obvious that we have now outgrown the current rules.

I still think we would be best served making the final decision towards the end of the season, but now the overhaul is over, it seems sensible to canvas opinion.

At the moment I think my preferred option would be to leave the opening weekend as it is and then have it voluntary whether you followed the previous year winners overhaul team, this way we still get lively debate during the overhaul, but no problem if people forget or dislike the team.

I personally would almost certainly go with previous year winners overhaul team provided they had done likewise .

What's everyone else's thoughts?

Cheers for raising this. My vote is to

a) keep it simple
b) don’t offer a choice!

Aim being to maximise participation and likelihood of everybody getting it right, while retaining the spirit of ISO which is all about who manages the starting line up best over the season. As Rodduz says it just becomes like any other mini league otherwise.

As for changes, I think a free for all after day 1 is a positive change (rather than after first weekend).

So..

1. Same sides and captain for day 1. Free for all thereafter (this year this would have meant we could all have got rid of Allison on the Sat - like Cpt -11 did). Side selected by previous winner like now.

2. Same sides and captains for day 1 after the first overhaul. Free for all thereafter (this year anyone with an Auba itch could’ve scratched it last Sunday). Side selected by current leader - a nice little reward/incentive to get up there.

Nice and simple. I’d even be happy to do the same in Jan overhaul as in 2 above.

I see no point any more in keeping the line up for the entire weekend, I think that was a TFFO legacy where we couldn’t see teams or something (ie a simple way to check via all having the same score). Unleash the beast early and have fun.

Keep the rest the same as it’s fab.

[coleridge]

Wouldn't have any problem with option 1 but not at all enamoured with option 2. I think it would just lead to a transfer arms race.

The table at the overhaul this year pretty much reflected transfers burned with you profligate types ; at the top and the more circumspect at the bottom.

Although I guess some sort of handicap (- 10 points per transfer) would work, but as you rightly say it needs to be kept simple and a handicap system ain't that.

[CptPugwash]

was just about to make a long post.
NorthernMonkey's option 1 was exactly the same as I was going to say.

[Northernmonkey]

Wouldn't have any problem with option 1 but not at all enamoured with option 2. I think it would just lead to a transfer arms race.

The table at the overhaul this year pretty much reflected transfers burned with you profligate types ; at the top and the more circumspect at the bottom.

Although I guess some sort of handicap (- 10 points per transfer) would work, but as you rightly say it needs to be kept simple and a handicap system ain't that.

Pah! Clearly it was laced with self interest

Though fair point, plus don’t need any further incentive to burn early transfers.

The simpler it is (and less change) the better, so stick with previous years winner throughout. So long as whoever it is gets a wriggle on to satisfy us impatient types.

[Northernmonkey]

was just about to make a long post.
NorthernMonkey's option 1 was exactly the same as I was going to say.

Nice. So..

Previous years winner selects all:

1. Same sides and captain for day 1. Free for all thereafter.

2. Same sides and captains for day 1 after the Sept overhaul. Free for all thereafter.

3. Ditto for Jan overhaul? Just sticking it out there..

[coleridge]

1) Yes I can live with that

2) Not sure , it was sorta like herding cats this year and if we grow again it will be even worse. I still think the voluntary solution is a decent one.

3) No! When I'm just outside the top 100 with 33 transfers left : I don't want anyone picking my team.

[Northernmonkey]

Last year I think all teams were aligned no problem at the Sept overhaul. This year was fine but for 2 sides, but the side was posted much later.

ISO means equal (ancient Greek - far too high brow for me), but the idea being to start with the same side. If there’s a choice to ignore the previous winners picks and go DIY at the overhaul, then I’d probably just do that. My preferred front 3 of Auba, Abraham and Mane and block Spurs defence would’ve been just fine last weekend

Re 3. Yep agree.

[coleridge]

More than happy to go with that . (Previous years winner picks day one of gameweek one and day one of first overhaul.) I guess we would need to agree on what to do with any non compliance .

On the bright side I promise to put up my overhaul team for discussion Good and early next season.

[CptPugwash]

3) - I'd suggest that whoever (transfers adjusted) is leading picks the team at the 2nd overhaul.
Anyone else who thinks they are in with a chance with the actual dosh prizes & doesn't like the finalised team, simply drops from the league.

[coleridge]

3) - I'd suggest that whoever (transfers adjusted) is leading picks the team at the 2nd overhaul.
Anyone else who thinks they are in with a chance with the actual dosh prizes & doesn't like the finalised team, simply drops from the league.

I'm not fundamentally against this, but half the league won't be around by then and you also have to go down the hole that is transfer value.

[rodduz]

3) - I'd suggest that whoever (transfers adjusted) is leading picks the team at the 2nd overhaul.
Anyone else who thinks they are in with a chance with the actual dosh prizes & doesn't like the finalised team, simply drops from the league.

Good idea

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[Aldershot Rejects]

Malrom, sorry no real idea why you can't see the sky thread, unless you are not scrolling down far enough, when I click on fiso forums skysports fantasy football is the 26th thread down between the old ofl thread and a daily mail ff thread.

As for consequences, its not my call obviously but I personally don't think there should be any, you obviously didn't seek to gain any advantage and you used four extra transfers to make your team more like everyone else's, that seems to be more than enough punishment for anyone .

I obviously didn't explain it well enoguh, coleridge, I'm sorry!
I know my way to the Sky thread, no problem, but I do not access it regularly.
I normally use the View Latest: 1 Day way, but the SKY thread doesn't appear there. I would have come across it, if it would. And I certainly would have seen all the posts.

Again, I have only myself to blame!
Thank you for your proposal, I would happily go with it.

I'm happy with this.

[Biscuitman]

I think:

Last season's winner picks the opening team. Managers free to make transfers once each player's team has played its opening fixture. [So, if a goalkeeper gets injured on the opening day, he can be replaced. But, I don't think we should be able to transfer out a player playing on the first Monday before they've actually played, assuming their real life manager picks them, of course - and if they are not picked by the real life manager, that's tough.]

First overhaul - difficult. Inclining towards free-for-all, as otherwise there is a risk that managers making transfers over weeks 2-4 have to second-guess what last season's winner will do when the overhaul comes along. Or run the risk that a player they have brought in is not selected by last season's winner, thereby making the use of any transfer in weeks 2-4 less appealing. That might mean shooting ourselves in the foot in terms of the overall game. I can see counterarguments though.

Second overhaul. As per selection of the opening team and rules for game week 1.

[Aldershot Rejects]

Do we need a rule/understanding about when the final side both at the start of the season and the first overhaul (if we go that way) will be posted. I would suggest 72 hours which hopefully gives the opportunity for reminder messages to be sent if necessary, 24 hours before the deadling.

Agree with having the freedom to make changes after Day 1 of the opening GW.

[Biscuitman]

Do we need a rule/understanding about when the final side both at the start of the season and the first overhaul (if we go that way) will be posted. I would suggest 72 hours which hopefully gives the opportunity for reminder messages to be sent if necessary, 24 hours before the deadling.

Sounds like a good idea.

[CptPugwash]

I think:

Last season's winner picks the opening team. Managers free to make transfers once each player's team has played its opening fixture. [So, if a goalkeeper gets injured on the opening day, he can be replaced. But, I don't think we should be able to transfer out a player playing on the first Monday before they've actually played, assuming their real life manager picks them, of course - and if they are not picked by the real life manager, that's tough.]

First overhaul - difficult. Inclining towards free-for-all, as otherwise there is a risk that managers making transfers over weeks 2-4 have to second-guess what last season's winner will do when the overhaul comes along. Or run the risk that a player they have brought in is not selected by last season's winner, thereby making the use of any transfer in weeks 2-4 less appealing. That might mean shooting ourselves in the foot in terms of the overall game. I can see counterarguments though.

Second overhaul. As per selection of the opening team and rules for game week 1.

It doesn't make the slightest difference what the team is at the first overhaul. When you make transfers in the first 4 weeks it is entirely for that 4 week period only.

[Biscuitman]

Cpt Pugwash - I thought about this, and you are of course quite right. I was talking complete nonsense.

[Northernmonkey]

Proper captain headache Pepe or Salah.. Pepe Salah Pepe Salah. I’ve been back and forth.

Made my move yesterday with Aguero, backfired a little with KDB’s blinder but Otamendi bridged the gap for me. All these Auba’s coming in are making me nervous, im keeping faith. Time for Pepe to deliver

[S_sutton87]

Salah for me today

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[rodduz]

Pepe... was I allowed to make a transfer today? I have but only now thinking did I have to wait until weekend is over?

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[Northernmonkey]

Pepe... was I allowed to make a transfer today? I have but only now thinking did I have to wait until weekend is over?

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Yep. Make transfers whenever you fancy from here.

[rodduz]

Phew!

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[coleridge]

Just a quick hat tip to Nbbbee, now that all seven mids and forwards have scored since the overhaul.

[rodduz]

Not a bad pick was it!

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[Northernmonkey]

Just a quick hat tip to Nbbbee, now that all seven mids and forwards have scored since the overhaul.

Indeed. Impressive that, loving McGinn. I see some now have 2 Villa players in their squad

Big weekend, big scores and some big variation in our teams already. Impressed by Arsenal, no coincidence they got their act together once Xhaka was subbed.