Multi accounts and collusion (possibly)

[sparx14]

There could also be issues in future.

if not colliding now, it's possible that by the last week of the season Mr Fantasy and Mrs Fantasy are joint 1st with Mrs Other and all three have identical teams and 1 transfer left.

Even if not colluding up until that point, it would be very difficult for most of us, with so much money on the line, not to work together to at least ensure we don't transfer the same player in with the last transfer.

Therefore genuine individual entries could become a joint entry later on during the season...

[Dot]

Quigley and O Grady diversed on final transfers to make it harder for me to cover basis. That was after a repetition of identical transfers in the months prior, some strange ones too at times, imo.

They managed to head me on cup final day but Mane gave it back to them in spades on Champions League night

Shame they still profited though as what they were doing, especially with Jpks revelations, was as bent as arseholes, so as the Karate Kid states, cheats do prosper sometimes, even with a stack of circumstantial against them.

Even more interestingly Margaret Quigley hasn't entered the game this season, now theres a shock.

[Striker]

I don't often agree 100% with Dot, but I certainly do on this issue.

The Sun's 10 entry rule is sensible if it is enforced but a nonsense if it's not.

A proper audit of winners' entries and their history and of entries suspected of being "controlled" by the same person isn't rocket science. But if the Dream Team guys aren't capable of identifying cheats and disqualifying them, they should scrap the rule.

People who cheat at something which doesn't really matter like fantasy football clearly are lacking a moral compass. One wonders how they operate in areas of life which really matter as I'm sure that their selfishness isn't confined just to Fantasy. If they were on a sinking ship, I doubt that they would be observing the women and children first rule. You' either have integrity or you don't.

[Yorkshire Exile]

Can't jpk look at times of original entry and stuff....

That would provide a clue as per the sequential entering of those accused last year....

[Yorkshire Exile]

Well the Backlash family are clear

Loving your work Frank, give regards to Pat.

Has Louise packed in? She was flying in 2016 in main game and Europe.

[robot]

50 teams without a Hazard

Everything yourself/ striker and others have said regarding cheating/ last year I agree with but with a quick glance at those teams not so sure I agree with the attack on byrom.

If all 5 members are genuine players and have a knowledge of the game, then no hazard in all 10 teams isn't beyond reasonable seeing as he was likely not to play the first weekend.

If I wanted to collude I think the teams would look more identical and far more different block approaches.

Lets pick 5 good players of here and post there initial teams and see what the combinations bring up.

[Yorkshire Exile]

You can of course argue about 'good'

In sun I don't consider myself that bracket...... But the starting 11s of the big balls league I guess is a decent approximation

[Zimmerman]

50 teams without a Hazard

If all 5 members are genuine players and have a knowledge of the game, then no hazard in all 10 teams isn't beyond reasonable seeing as he was likely not to play the first weekend.

Yet with 6 transfers since the season start none of them have taken a gamble on getting in the highest scoring player in the game

With such a competitive family you’d assume they’re in mini league? Regardless, surely someone wants to get one over the their dad/spouse/father-in-law. Imagine having Hazard available as a differential.

[Yorkshire Exile]

These were the starting teams I think. In which case no surprise hazard does not feature....

[McKenzie]

tbf at least he's not a James Maye whatever the weather.

[Dot]

These were the starting teams I think. In which case no surprise hazard does not feature....

Kane, Kdb and Pogba are scattered around. They all went deep in WC..

I initially had 10/10 KDBs till the injury
10 salahs
6 Hazard
4 Kane's
4 Agueros
In my original starting 10

Probably explains my slow start I guess.


I think 5 different people, with differing mindsets will still include a Star in at least 1 team in their 10

If you apply the logic that all world Cup players ,that went deep won't play the start,I could agree.

Fwiw Hazard featured in the ist game and got 5 pts.

Last season's points totals

412 Salah
376 Kane
284 KDB
281 Hazard
280 Firmino
277 Aguero

Didn't want to be without superstars

[Zimmerman]

These were the starting teams I think. In which case no surprise hazard does not feature....

Apologies... I’ll get back in my box.

[jimmy ching]

Why don't they do 20. for those that just find it too hard not to cheat when it's at 10. The 20 is total defence cover.
I had nothing but admiration to those that did this when it was postal transfers. Not that most of them never won anything.

[Dot]

At the end if the day, until the Sun enforce their own rules, and start outing players that "IN THEIR OPINION", are breaching their own T's & C's then their game will continue to be riddled with cheats and chancers and people making a mockery of their rules ; especially whilst the game remains free.

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Think it would be easier to revert to a paying for entry game ( whilst still having the free game) with a limit per family/ household in some way, with enforced rules for a change.

In that way alot of the so called/ accused multis, might not be happy shelling out hundreds of pounds to enter under various guises knowing that there is something to lose, when and if they are found in breach of the rules as set out in the Suns game.

[ffstuff]

if you click on a team now either through the "top 100" screen or the "search managers" screen, it will show you the date and time when that team was created on dreamteams server

[plevna1963]

Wait till Macca sees this, looks like another late night.

[lfc71]

if you click on a team now either through the "top 100" screen or the "search managers" screen, it will show you the date and time when that team was created on dreamteams server

It does on the top 100 screen,but when i type a name in the "search managers box it now comes up 0 managers & doesn't show me anything now.

[ffstuff]

strange .. it works fine for me and can see several users accessing the searchmanagers page at the moment

anyone else having issues?

[Yorkshire Exile]

nope looks good to me

[lfc71]

Working now

[summer is over]

It's strange how everyone is picking on the Byroms

Let's be honest - JPK has been breaching/hacking? the sun's database for years and now ffstuff is going the extra mile, yet nobody ever complains about this cheating and infringement of another companies website because you benefit from it.

For all we know - JPK could have found out what the Quigley's transfers were last season before they were made (I'm sure he'll claim this isn't possible) and then he could have fed that information to his friend Mark Lawlor AKA dot who won the game, who knows what kind of other information is being fed amongst the inner circle of friends on here?

Hope the moderators don't delete this post because it's a fair comment and people are free to reply.

[Yorkshire Exile]

this has only just exercised you enough to join up and complain? forgive my suspicion but it seems an odd topic to launch yourself into.

i have no idea what is or isnt possible once you are into the back end of the suns database... I have previously joked about his grease monkey extension being a means to infiltrate all our machines... but if it were there is probably more devious uses he could put it to without announcing it on a forum dedicated to playing the game....

[Dot]

It's strange how everyone is picking on the Byroms

Let's be honest - JPK has been breaching/hacking? the sun's database for years and now ffstuff is going the extra mile, yet nobody ever complains about this cheating and infringement of another companies website because you benefit from it.

For all we know - JPK could have found out what the Quigley's transfers were last season before they were made (I'm sure he'll claim this isn't possible) and then he could have fed that information to his friend Mark Lawlor AKA dot who won the game, who knows what kind of other information is being fed amongst the inner circle of friends on here?

Hope the moderators don't delete this post because it's a fair comment and people are free to reply.

Ironside, hello Rob, ows ur wheels?

I wish he did, I cud have enjoyed my last week in the reef more.

All's well that ends well though eh?

Ps are you James Maye Rob?

After all u've created more accounts than even he has so u have to be a contender

[Jules]

Let's be honest - JPK has been breaching/hacking? the sun's database for years and now ffstuff is going the extra mile, yet nobody ever complains about this cheating and infringement of another companies website because you benefit from it.

Let’s be clear, there is no breaching or hacking of any databases going on by either JPK of FFSTUFF. They are only able to access the information that is published on the Sun’s website which is publicly available to anyone with a web browser.

[thekaratekid]

50 teams without a Hazard

Everything yourself/ striker and others have said regarding cheating/ last year I agree with but with a quick glance at those teams not so sure I agree with the attack on byrom.

If all 5 members are genuine players and have a knowledge of the game, then no hazard in all 10 teams isn't beyond reasonable seeing as he was likely not to play the first weekend.

If I wanted to collude I think the teams would look more identical and far more different block approaches.

Lets pick 5 good players of here and post there initial teams and see what the combinations bring up.

How they started is not the biggest give away here. Its how how similar all the teams are NOW. And look at the players that have been brought in for ALL 5 accounts. They are REMARKABLY similar.

[summer is over]

This is at the very least immoral. I can’t see where time of entries is published on their website or how many transfers they have left or transfer history etc - but wherever it is, it’s not published in a way in which it is meant to be accessed by the public and if it were, they’d be clear navigation links, you’d have to be an IT wizz to a) unlock/find the info and b) collate the info and list it the way ffstuff has on his website.

Do you all honestly believe JPK has not been feeding info to certain posters and do you all believe that he and ffstuff cannot find out which transfers a a player has made before they’re seen by KO of match day? The irony of dot to complain about Margaret and co when he probably knew thanks to jpk what they were going to do anyway.

I have previously joked about his grease monkey extension being a means to infiltrate all our machine

John-Paul Knight could well be doing that, who knows.

[plevna1963]

Let's be honest - JPK has been breaching/hacking? the sun's database for years and now ffstuff is going the extra mile, yet nobody ever complains about this cheating and infringement of another companies website because you benefit from it.

Let’s be clear, there is no breaching or hacking of any databases going on by either JPK of FFSTUFF. They are only able to access the information that is published on the Sun’s website which is publicly available to anyone with a web browser.

You cant see (other than your own) what £ players have left In The Bank.!!

[Dot]

Yes you can. You subtract team value from salary cap

[Dot]

50 teams without a Hazard

Everything yourself/ striker and others have said regarding cheating/ last year I agree with but with a quick glance at those teams not so sure I agree with the attack on byrom.

If all 5 members are genuine players and have a knowledge of the game, then no hazard in all 10 teams isn't beyond reasonable seeing as he was likely not to play the first weekend.

If I wanted to collude I think the teams would look more identical and far more different block approaches.

Lets pick 5 good players of here and post there initial teams and see what the combinations bring up.

How they started is not the biggest give away here. Its how how similar all the teams are NOW. And look at the players that have been brought in for ALL 5 accounts. They are REMARKABLY similar.

And what do you think of Michael Byroms re-named teams since your posts

[sparx14]

Presumably you can work out how much is in the bank based on the starting team and the transfers + timing of the transfers that have been made, provided you don't have a life and are quick on the calculator?

I've never worked out how to get my own teams total value before (without individually adding up all the players which I've never got round to doing) so Frank's tool knows more about my teams than I do