Split from Seasonal League Battle discussion

To be honest, it doesn't really make much difference wether you know what other leagues look like or not. You have to make decisions at transfer windows based on what is best for that league. Pretty sure most of us had at least 3 players that could be improved on through either injury or just a bad pick, its then down to personal player choice that fits with the budget.

Obviously the more leagues you have in contention the better as you can go different ways within your leagues, I think we made the right choices for our leagues, and as it stands the table confirms that but there is a long long way to go for it to go tits up though

Wouldn't want to predict a final 5 but I would think at least 5 of the current top 10 will still be there at the end, which 5 I ain't sure of

I can explain how I work out the composition of MLs, (psuedo - you can let us know if your technique is similar. I am not questioning that you can do it, but I have never seen any proof that you can).

At the start of the season and after each transfer window, I run a macro in an excel spreadsheet that loops through each and every team id on the sun dt website and stores the team composition, manager name, and team name in a database. This takes a few days to complete.

With all team compositions known, I can then use a couple of techniques to group teams together and guess that they form minileagues, the techniques are: similar line-ups, known associations of managers and team names. e.g. If there are 10 teams in the database with all players the same except 1 consistent position (rotator), the managers have same surname or are known associates and the team names are similar (ChezzySpesh1 ChezzySpesh2 etc) then I have a strong feeling that they form a ML. To confirm my suspicions, I will look in the monthly/weekly ML tables published on the SDT site and using Jules' stats site, work out the points that I think they should have for that month/week and reconcile the two.

It's a semi-automatic procedure for me now and it is useful in knowing what the competition is up to. I often post this info during the week to let all parties know who to cheer for in the remaining games.

I can also check what the ML composition was at TW1 TW2 etc and check that they are valid according to the 30 player rule and identical line-up restriction

One thing I noticed during this exercise is that Tam (yes I know, always gets a name check )has an unusual way of entering his teams. He has named all of his teams and leagues randomly and entered them at different times (eg no sequential ids). The only reason I can think he would deliberately make his entries this way (e.g. not the manual way using copy/edit team) is to try and make it harder to piece his leagues together because he knows (after last year) that it was possible to know the size and composition of his entry (last year he entered them sequentially with similar team names e.g. Golf 1, Golf 2). Also his second entry this year (the extra 5000 teams) had a load of duplicate teams and team names which was most likely a by product of the randomisation of his entry.

How easy would it be to keep track of what teams go in what leagues though JP, If the teams are randomly named and entered, it must be a massive task to keep note of what's what.

How would you go about it

I guess he has a spreadsheet with all the compositions laid out and then randomises it for entry. It makes his life difficult but then managing that size of entry is mind blowing enough.

He can always know that if he loses his spreadsheet with his leagues and teams on it, that I have a backup I can lend him

I really hate to be the bearer of bad news but if you check out this in the T&Cs.

All Mini League entrants will be bound by the Game Terms and Conditions. Only Members of a particular Mini League may view the full details of their particular Mini League. Overall performance statistics for each Mini League will be accessible by any Mini League entrant.

So what JPK is doing isn't actually allowed.

Im not sure if JPK is in contention for any prizes but i know ronny who is a member of the BBM has all the info on the top mini leagues as he once posted he had it at his disposal somewhere private.

This could open a VERY VERY BIG and complicated can of worms.

Yeah Tom....we (or Mr Gibbs to be more specific) noticed that clause in the Ts and Cs too.

I wouldn't get too excited about this - the onus is on The Sun to enforce the necessary security on their Site and, as they clearly can't do this, it is highly unlikely that they will be able to prove who has actually viewed the details of others' Mini Leagues on the Site itself. Not to mention that may not want to publically admit that the SDT Site has security holes.

There is enough proof on this website isn't there

Look 7 posts up.

Shame JPK is not a member of any of the leading winning mini leagues.

Why shame? Are you trying to get people disqualified?

Come on Sanjay, don't be breaching the terms of your gagging order; you know you're not allowed to talk rules and anything relating to "in the spirit of the game".

Interesting point though

Ashers - almost reads like an admittal of guilt.

By the way, is JPK not due a cut if Diggers or Kojac win something. He'll be devastated that all is hard work and orchestration is for free.

Of course JPK is part of BBM.

What I was saying is that Digger's is made up of 4 people and JPK is not one of them.

Anyway, where does it say that teams / people will be DQ for knowing the breakdown of mini leagues?

If that is the case all members of the Sun forum on FISO are doomed, as he has shared this information with everyone on the weekly progress forum.

Sanjay - You very quite in the WDT forum.

Is that you Sanjay or just an automated reply
How come you comment on other things yet not what when people ask you ?
Also why did you make such a fuss over people being able to see other peoples teams when quite obviously your lot could too
Funny how you love to stir & comment on things to stir up trouble, yet you don’t comment on your automation revelation ?
Dot sussed you out before & you have been uncovered again ! You never know the old man & computer geek may kick you out next year as your job as king of spin is quite embarrassing at times, heck they might even set Tom on ! as he often does a better job & if there were 4 of you it might be easier with the false identities & team naming ?
With your penchant at trying to cause trouble you kept going on about people being able to see other teams was an unfair advantage, when you obviously had the same "advantage" as your geek was hacking in too & then you go and hide behind Barry Gibb, come on Sanj, or has the old man silenced you from this ?

JPK can only see teams, and thus calculate which teams go together to make a league. He cannot view the mini-league details screen of any league other than ones he is part of. The full details of a league would include the PIN and password, so no rule is being broken here.


JPK is a mini-league entrant, and as such the overall performance stat of average points will be accessible to him.

NEXT!

Good point Jules. Plus he is guessing at which team goes together and does not know that his thoughts are 100% correct.

Hay Sanj, is it true the Beegees are doing a cover version of "Silence is Golden"
Maybe Mr Gibbs will ask you to do backing vocals

It was asked how it's possible to know the make-up of MLs so I replied with one technique for finding out. I set out in an open and honest way, that you can use public, free information combined with a knowledge of Excel, to find this stuff out yourself.

How about you do the same with your automated entry Sanjay, just explain how it is possible to bypass the validation of players? Let the Sun worry about enforcing the T&Cs

So JPK is only guessing now

Of course he's guessing (albeit an informed guess), but nothing concrete.

Its just like an accelerated form of trying to work out a leagues composition from points scored.

I've worked out Diggers' from monitoring their points gains over a period of time/games.
I don't know for a FACT, but I'm pretty sure.

Something we can all do (given time and inclination).

However, automated entry to enter an unfeasible amount of teams? Now that's a different kettle of fish.

So Tom, why the vow of silence?
No comments on that?

You're always fighting the moral fight.
Sticking up for the little guy.

No comment on the rights and wrongs of noah's methods?

They do say Love is Blind.... How Deep is your love?

What Jpk is doing and speculating is not contravening ANY RULES!

He is not accessing other people mini-leagues and pin details, but he is astute and clever enough around a computer to ascertain what teams are making up a mini-league.



If Tam had any nous, he wouldn't keep leaving breadcrumbs to follow to spot the obvious flaws from the geek running his computerised operation, that this week has proved once and for all he is CHEATING and i fully expect the Sun will not be paying out any more monies for the remainder of the game.

Tam has been caught bang to rights and i suggest you get a better grasp of the English language Tom.

Think Tom and Sanj are islands in the stream mate.
As per usual Sanjay & Tom are Jive Talkin, but now they are found out Tamspax are having night fevers.
If they do get disqualified would it be a tragedy ? Still if you use you automated & cheat system this week you never know if You win again, but instead of all the arguments You should be Dancing Or is it all getting a bit much for you

Automated entry is simple once you know how. In fact i could explain all to your on here but A. I dont have the time even though it's fairly simple and B. Im sworn to secrety.

Tom old chap , thank you for taking the time to explain to all and sundry that automated entry is simple!

You dont have the time to explain it to us and frankly i dont have the time to read any of your posts once they go past 3 lines.

However as it seems your good self and Tam have not been in the other thread i'll re-emphasis for you that automated entry may well be simple

but CHEATING IS CHEATING

here's a refresher of my axe.

Sanjaychill occupied 51 of the bottom 100 positions in last weekends WDT.( nothing new he finishes last most weeks as he did again this week- well you would with 18,000 plus teams.

I SHALL PASTE A SECTION OF SOME OF HIS TEAMS in the bottom 100.

i am pasting them as they all have a common denominator.

They prove- without doubt- that his teams are entered weekly by use of a computer program.. ( is this fair), and more importantly because by entering them in this way( wish i knew how one does it) did it override the players one could use last week.

I recalled that because the WDT came out on Tuesday and Bolton had still to play Wigan for the right to play Fulham that:- NO BOLTON OR FULHAM PLAYERS WERE IN THE LISTINGS, THUS UNLESS YOU HAD THEM IN AN ORIGINAL TEAM YOU COULD NOT ADD THESE PLAYERS AS BONUS PLAYERS!

Most of us that have a number of teams to enter MANUALLY would not bother with teams that had 5 or more non players i would guess, as the process is mind-numbingly boring.

so here i give you five teams picked at random although i'm sure most of his teams in the bottom 100 have the same theme.

Manager Name:Betty TamTeam Name:Numerous Cows
Position 90,244- 7 NON STARTERS

Name Club Points
Jose Reina LIV 0
Christopher Samba BLA 0
Paul Konchesky (N/A) LIV 0
Richard Dunne AST 0
Glen Johnson LIV 0
Samir Nasri ARS 0
Florent Malouda CHE -2
Dirk Kuyt LIV 0
Nani MAN 0
Salomon Kalou CHE 0
Darren Bent AST 0
Branislav Ivanovic CHE 0
Sebastian Larsson BIR 0
Johan Elmander BOL 0



Manager Name:Nicholas TamTeam Name:Tan Turtles

Position 90,247 - 9 NON STARTERS

Name Club Points
Heurelho Gomes TOT 0
William Gallas TOT 0
Benoit Assou-Ekotto TOT 0
Gareth Bale TOT 0
Alan Hutton TOT 0
Samir Nasri ARS 0
Florent Malouda CHE -2
Valon Behrami (N/A) WHM 0
Fernando Torres CHE 0
Jermain Defoe TOT 0
Andy Carroll LIV 0
Ashley Cole CHE 0
Theo Walcott ARS 0
Moussa Dembele FUL 0




Manager Name:Nicholas TamTeam Name:Obedient Sparrows

Position 90,251 - 7 NON STARTERS

Name Club Points
Heurelho Gomes TOT 0
William Gallas TOT 0
Gareth Bale TOT 0
Alan Hutton TOT 0
Scott Dann BIR 0
Samir Nasri ARS 0
Nani MAN 0
Valon Behrami (N/A) WHM 0
Marouane Chamakh ARS 0
Peter Crouch TOT 0
Wayne Rooney MAN -1
Patrice Evra MAN 0
Denilson ARS -1
Johan Elmander BOL 0




View Weekend Team
Manager Name:Nicholas TamTeam Name:Gorgeous Kittens

Position 90,252 - 8 NON STARTERS

Name Club Points
Craig Gordon SUN 0
Christopher Samba BLA 0
Nedum Onuoha SUN 0
Phil Bardsley SUN 0
Anton Ferdinand SUN 0
Samir Nasri ARS 0
Dirk Kuyt LIV 0
Maxi Rodriguez LIV 0
Didier Drogba CHE 0
Fernando Torres CHE 0
Wayne Rooney MAN -1
Patrice Evra MAN 0
Matt Taylor BOL 0
Mario Balotelli MCY -1


View Weekend Team
Manager Name:Kenneth TamTeam Name:Hurt Doves

finishing postion 90,338 3rd from bottom - 6 NON PLAYERS but a very interesting additional 3 bonus players not in the listings to use.

Name Club Points
Mark Schwarzer FUL 0
Laurent Koscielny ARS 0
Alex CHE 0
Daniel Agger LIV 0
Scott Dann BIR 0
Florent Malouda CHE -2
Steven Gerrard LIV 0
Luis Valencia MAN 0
Gary Taylor-Fletcher BPL 0
Wayne Rooney MAN -1
Kevin Doyle WOL 0
Chris Baird FUL -1
Matt Taylor BOL 0
Moussa Dembele FUL 0

3 BONUS PLAYERS THAT WERE NOT LISTED FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO USE AS EXTRA'S


Does anyone else find this strange ?
I very much doubt that anyone else who entered their teams ( by fair manual means) were able to have the luxury of picking players from BOLTON AND FULHAM )

WHAT I AM SUGGESTING HERE IS THE SUN SHOULD INVESTIGATE HOW DEAUVILLE IS ENTERING THEIR TEAMS WEEKLY BECAUSE IT CERTAINLY IS NOT BY 18 SYNDICATE MEMBERS OR BY A SWEAT SHOP IN THAILAND.
THIS SYNDICATE IS NO MORE THAN 3 AT MOST 4 PEOPLE AS DOT ALWAYS SUGGESTED.

There ae numerous other teams of Deauville's bottom 51/100 teams that have additional Bolton and Fulham players like A.Hughes Duff etc etc. check yourselves.


I doubt whether i would get a sensible answer from the helpdesk, this sounds a little to compex for them.

I look forward to a decent reply from Jules or JPK , perhaps this is something else to get your teeth into and perhaps we all can get Deauville disqualified from any future winnings because he certainly has used the game and won by unfair means thus far...

The title has now made this thread racist so i wont be participating on this subject any longer.

Toms favourite tipple when things get too hot for him ...........

So what do you think the team is

I bet you it's slightly off the mark Zimm !!Although most are probably quite easy to guess, I should think.

I have one or two tweaks to make.

Tonight should clear it up though

Yesterday I was told I was not aloud to have a bit of banter with Sanjay now everyones having a mass orgy of banter in here and its fine!!

Am I aloud to join the orgy or not?