Demba Ba and Papiss Demba Cisse in the same starting line-up now for club and country.

Aside from it being a good signing for Newcastle, I wonder how much this will affect Demba Ba, and what has been a stellar performance so far this season.

Positive or negative?

Papiss has a good goal scoring record, he could take away goals from Ba?

Or does their national partnership mean the level of creativity increases, thus presenting more chances for Demba.

Will anyone take a punt on Papiss if he gets introduced at a slightly cheaper price - say 6/6.5?

I was sure I'd bring Ba back in when he got back. I'm seriously unsure now...

New Demba will take quite a while to become a regular 90 mins a week player going by Pardew's usual policy of quantitative easing.
Old Demba might even take a while to go back to being a regular 90 mins a week player once he comes back in order to prevent burnout.

New Demba's supposed to be more of a poacher than old Demba who did a bit of everything

For what it's worth, Demba Cisse has the better scoring record for Senegal.

7 from 12 compared to Ba's 4 in 11.

Price will determine it for me - though Demba still the sensible option since he's proven clearly capable in the Prem.

"quantitative easing", impressive. tried to learn more about it but wikipedia is on blackout

Think it's a bit of a wait and see on this one. I wouldn't be rushing to get Ba in the side once he's back, but it'll be interesting to see where Cisse fits in.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papiss_Cissé

Click and then press F5 and the Escape button right after to freeze it

Or just select View -> Style -> No Style from the top menubar. Works for IE and Firefox.
It'll be a no-frills type view but fine for most pages I've read anyway.

haha yeah cheers, just worked out i can disable javascript to use wikipedia - although i was actually looking up the phrase "quantitative easing" not cisse. i am, however, still none the wiser as to what the phrase really means; whenever a term relates in any way to banking i kind of switch off a bit.

For the Economy it means dumping cash into static money markets. There is some measure which is determined by the Quantity of Money in a market multiplied by the speed that it goes round, and this will be increased\eased by putting more money into it.

In recent times: there was\is a belief that banks\institutions are unable to lend money, because they don't have any, so the Bank of England lent them a load of cash, so they could lend..... This is a very simplistic explanation, because money-lending is a tangled web; and there is also an argument that people do not want to borrow money, as they are not confident of paying it back. The truth is, as always, a bit (or lot) of both.

There are several sites on blackout today to protest 2 bills going through the House and Senate in the USA. If they pass then sites like Wikipedia will seriously be hampared in their ability to provide the info we have gotten used to. If you know anyone in the states tell them to contact their representatives to voice their opinion.

Now back on topic...although I think this signing will improve Newcastel dramatically it just destroyed Ba's prolific points haul IMO. I was going to bring in on return but not any longer. I will take my chances on Morrison or Graham and save the money.

Do you not think its a bit premature to be making that claim? Papiss is a 'CK', and may not start straight away, especially if Best keeps scoring!

Not really because I think this will change the way Pardew sets the team. I think it will be somewhat like Morrison and Holt at Norwich, together they have 14 goals on the season I think. Which is split with 7 each. Now what I expect is that for the second half of the season the output from Newcastle will be split much the same now because Ba will not be the only focus of the attack. Like I said it is just my opinion but I don't epect Ba to have anywhere near as many points during the second half.

You may be right but I'm not sure. Leon Best started with his shotting boots on but that didn't stop Ba 'taking over' when it came to scoring all the goals. My bigger fear is burn out from the cup. The days of Senegal beating France may be gone, but they could still go far in the tournie.

I think they will now sell Ba as it goes. Minimum release clause and all that

News reports state that Ba has a clause in his contract that he can't be sold until this summer.

Ba for me, he hardly costs a fortune and scored goals playing with two at Newcastle and also at WHU. Pardew also said Demba 2 - will take a while even to get into the team and even then urged the fans to be paitent.

Link? I read that is was £5m, not £10m - or it could have been £8m But the "not until the summer" is a new one.

Someone on the Radio suggested that top sides would be put off by his knee problem (which stopped a move to Stoke, or similar I seem to remember). The "expert" said that the Insurance could prove prohibitive, and that Ba is not a regular at training with Newcastle.......

current info up in the grim north is that Ba's clause is £5/7m but only applies in the summer (we should ask Harry for details really, he's the authority on these things). Ba himself however is keen to renegotiate his contract earlier as he's on circa £30k p.w. with a £20k per game appearance fee - he'd like shot of that and it in his salary instead. In which case you can bet the summer clause is amended.

Ba does have a knee condition (hence the appearance clause) but its holding out so far and the thought is NUFC will never get top dollar for him in an onwards sale because of it and he WILL fail pretty much any medical but given form to date, they'll want to raise the £5m floor. Ba won't be playing Roga Millar style late into his thirties/forty, I mean twenties

From NUFC Blog writer Ed Harrison (first paragraph):

"The Newcastle Journal is reporting today that the release clause in Demba Ba’s contract doesn’t take effect until the summer."


The full NUFC Blog article is linked here: (http://www.nufcblog.com/2012/01/19/good ... -demba-ba/)

I would have posted the article from the Newcastle Journal, but it is a pay site.



From the Belfast Telegraph, writer Martin Harvey reports (paragraph six):

"Indeed it is understood to be the case that the clause in his contract actually stipulated Ba cannot be sold until the summer transfer window. Instead, Newcastle officials were privately and publicly delighted to have made such a high-profile signing midway through the window."


The full Belfast Telegraph article linked here: (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport ... 05216.html)


Hope this helps.

So Senegal have crashed out of the ANC at the group stage due to a cracking stoppage time strike from the lowest ever ranked hosts of the competition Equatorial Guinea.

This means both dembas will be back much earlier than expected, maybe even as early as the villa game of GW24 or sooner!!!

Cat amongst pigeons.

To clarify, their last game will be on Sunday 29th January.

Newcastle play on Blackburn on Wednesday 1st Feb (GW23) then Villa on Sunday 5th Feb (GW24).

You'd think they'd struggle to make the first but the second game is a possibility, certainly for ba.


Edit: Lee Ryder (Chief sports writer at Newcastle Chronacle) on twitter: "Cisse and Ba set to fly back on Monday and could even play at #blackburn next week!"

Blackburn game may come too soon but he should definitely be back for GW24 then, can easily swap him for Sturridge so will wait till Pardew's comments about it

i love it. i get to play adebayor at wigan then bring in Ba at a discount rate.

Sturridge can stay for this week's Swansea game, then leave to never sully my team again.

Ba back in for Villa (h). Lovely.

I'm not going to get carried away with his return.

I'll wait until he's back on the teamsheet for sure and then make my decision based upon that.

If he's fit he'll play... What's there to wait for on that front?

Thousands of people have transferred him in already. He's gone from a definite price faller tonight to what I reckon will be two price rices by the gameweek deadline.
I'll probably buy him now, a GW early just to save around 0.3 as I've a decent 5 midfielders and 2 strikers anyway.
He'll only have played in 2 proper games in the ACON and 1 meaningless game so I don't think fatigue will be much of an issue seeing that he'd have played in 4 games if he had remained in Newcastle. Also the flight time is only about 6 hours.

109% to drop.

It'll then need a big swing to rise again before the GW is out (has that ever even happened?)

Coincidentally he is 0.1 out away from the transfer i'd like to do, so i could do with him dropping!