Tevez : An Offer Too Goo To Be Missed?...

london dom · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 09:03

It seems the deal to bring Tevez to Manchester United is finally nearing an end and whilst it wouldn't be wise to put him in your team until you see him paraded at Old Trafford in a red shirt, assuming it all goes through should we all jump on the bandwagon?

Â£8.5m represents quite a low fee for someone involved in the attacking end of Manchester United, plus he's proven he can deliver at this level.

That said, will be feature enough to warrant the price?

chrislondonlad · **Joined:** Mon May 14 2007 **Posts:** 2608

london dom wrote:

That said, will be feature enough to warrant the price?

Absolutely.... but maybe not in week 1 and 2.

london dom · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 10:16

chrislondonlad wrote:

london dom wrote:

That said, will be feature enough to warrant the price?

Absolutely.... but maybe not in week 1 and 2.

Yeah but won't you end up paying more for him if you don't get him from day 1?

Flyman · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 10:48

london dom wrote:

chrislondonlad wrote:

london dom wrote:

That said, will be feature enough to warrant the price?

Absolutely.... but maybe not in week 1 and 2.

Yeah but won't you end up paying more for him if you don't get him from day 1?

Risk 1: Buy now - save a transfer - maybe have 8.5 sitting doing nothing for a while.

Risk 2: Buy Johnson (8.5) or other now. Watch & wait to see about Tevez. Keep an eye on the Crack the Code price change thread. Buy before his first rise, or wait a bit, see what SAF does, and pay 0.1/0.2 for the privillage of security.

fancy dan · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 11:53

I've voted 1, as I think it's the safer option, but I'm still not sure how he's going to fit into the side with Rooney, as they seem similar kinds of players to me. The Charity Shield might yield some clues.

chrislondonlad · **Joined:** Mon May 14 2007 **Posts:** 2608

london dom wrote:

chrislondonlad wrote:

london dom wrote:

That said, will be feature enough to warrant the price?

Absolutely.... but maybe not in week 1 and 2.

Yeah but won't you end up paying more for him if you don't get him from day 1?

No. There's no harm in waiting until at least after the first game. If he starts and scores, fume and buy, if he's on the bench or in the stands, rub your hands in glee and buy later.

london dom · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 12:40

Hmmmm... We'll see; a week is a long time in football.

I'll have him in my team for now and if it looks like he's not going to play I'll do a last minute swap, probably for Anelka or Johnson.

chrislondonlad · **Joined:** Mon May 14 2007 **Posts:** 2608

london dom wrote:

Hmmmm... We'll see; a week is a long time in football..

It is, yes, but one minute (after the 11.30 am deadline) is not a long time, even in football.

london dom wrote:

I'll have him in my team for now and if it looks like he's not going to play I'll do a last minute swap, probably for Anelka or Johnson.

Your "last minute" swap will have to be a "last 16.5 hour" swap as Man U don't play until 4pm on Sunday.

mreves · **Joined:** Thu Jul 12 2007 **Posts:** 138

I think you have to factor in that Tevez himself is saying he is not fit/rested, after playing over the summer. I cannot see him playing for a few weeks.

Bob Newhart · **Joined:** Thu Oct 13 2005 **Posts:** 2996

mreves wrote:

I cannot see him playing for a few weeks.

I can see him training with United by the end of next week, on the bench for the opening couple of games and then in the side for the Manchester derby.

Bumiac · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 14:33

Rooney's been in such great form in the pre-seasons, maybe feeling the fire of a challenge for his spot by Tevez (he of similar style, like Fancy Dan says).

Based on form and team chemistry I'm just guessing (hoping) Rooney starts and plays 70 or 75 for the first several gameweeks, with Tevez subbing for him and finding his legs. If Rooney's on fire, things stay that way. If he's cold, maybe the roles change, or Tevez starts alongside?

In any case I'm putting my chips on the fact that Rooney will play like a phenom at the start and actually rise in price, while Tevez will drop in price over the first month as managers get tired of 8.5 mil collecting repeated 0 and 1 points.

M-boy · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 14:40

My fear is that the deal won't go through until near the start of gw1, Tevez will be on the bench for that gw, prompting a lot of people to bring him in for gw2. In that rush his price increases by at least 0.1, or 0.2, maybe even 0.3 before gw2, but he's still unlikely to play in gw2.

It's fine to say 'wait until he's in the team' but what if the rush comes before that? With so many other expensive, talented strikers missing out gw2 it makes the whole thing very tricky indeed.

chrislondonlad · **Joined:** Mon May 14 2007 **Posts:** 2608

M-boy wrote:

My fear is that the deal won't go through until near the start of gw1, Tevez will be on the bench for that gw, prompting a lot of people to bring him in for gw2. In that rush his price increases by at least 0.1, or 0.2, maybe even 0.3 before gw2, but he's still unlikely to play in gw2.

It's fine to say 'wait until he's in the team' but what if the rush comes before that? With so many other expensive, talented strikers missing out gw2 it makes the whole thing very tricky indeed.

Gameweeks 1-3 take place within the span of a single week, so the effect of purchases is diluted.

Don't panic.

fancy dan · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 14:46

I'm veering more and more toward the 'leave him out and see' policy. How do I retract my vote? :wink:

Flyman · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 14:53

chrislondonlad wrote:

Gameweeks 1-3 take place within the span of a single week, so the effect of purchases is diluted.

Don't panic.

NTIs are reset at the start of each GW.
A 0.3 rise is one gameweek is, I think, unheard of. However, a 0.1 rise in GW1 and a 0.2 rise in GW2 (or visa versa) is feasible, making him +0.3 by GW3.

I subscribe to the 'seeing him as a sub to start' philosophy, myself, but what do I know. :lol:

RomynPG · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 15:11

Flyman wrote:

NTIs are reset at the start of each GW.

Are you sure?

I always thought it was Overall NTI/NTO not Gameweek NTI/NTO that counted. Otherwise how are there rises/falls on the evening after a deadline - there's never (or extremely rarely) enough buying/selling in one day to shift prices.

NTI/NTO figures are only reset once a threshold is crossed - not when a deadline is passed.

(I'm sure we had this discussion last year as well

)

M-boy · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 15:13

chrislondonlad wrote:

M-boy wrote:

My fear is that the deal won't go through until near the start of gw1, Tevez will be on the bench for that gw, prompting a lot of people to bring him in for gw2. In that rush his price increases by at least 0.1, or 0.2, maybe even 0.3 before gw2, but he's still unlikely to play in gw2.

It's fine to say 'wait until he's in the team' but what if the rush comes before that? With so many other expensive, talented strikers missing out gw2 it makes the whole thing very tricky indeed.

Gameweeks 1-3 take place within the span of a single week, so the effect of purchases is diluted.

Don't panic.

Ok

chrislondonlad · **Joined:** Mon May 14 2007 **Posts:** 2608

Flyman wrote:

chrislondonlad wrote:

Gameweeks 1-3 take place within the span of a single week, so the effect of purchases is diluted.

Don't panic.

NTIs are reset at the start of each GW.

I know, but my point is unaffected. The shorter physical timespan of this week is likely to dilute the number of transfers made, especially as it's still in the middle of the (as Jimmy would say) HOLIBOB season.

Flyman · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 15:22

chrislondonlad wrote:

Flyman wrote:

chrislondonlad wrote:

Gameweeks 1-3 take place within the span of a single week, so the effect of purchases is diluted.

Don't panic.

NTIs are reset at the start of each GW.

I know, but my point is unaffected. The shorter physical timespan of this week is likely to dilute the number of transfers made, especially as it's still in the middle of the (as Jimmy would say) HOLIBOB season.

Hmm, I'm not convinced, cld. I would expect that GWs1 & 2 would rank amongst the highest in terms of transfer activity though, granted, the shortness of these two particular weeks will no doubt catch some out.

However, others are bound to realise too late that they are short of players in GW2 and so a few more doubles than usual can be expected. :lol:

Nevertheless, we agree that Tevez's price will probably not rocket.

megamince · **Joined:** Thu Oct 13 2005 **Posts:** 452

i could see sir alex putting tevez straight in.

if you think about it who else has he got to play alongside rooney?
smith has gone, saha and ole gunnar injured. he could play ronaldo or giggs up front but then he'll stuggle outwide with park injured, nani recovering from a knock and fletcher being crap.

plus tevez will be fit as he was playing in the copa america for his pre-season.

chrislondonlad · **Joined:** Mon May 14 2007 **Posts:** 2608

megamince wrote:

i could see sir alex putting tevez straight in.

This could make a huge difference!

Quote:

Tevez cleared to sign for Man Utd

West Ham have revealed they have reached agreement for Carlos Tevez to leave Upton Park and complete his protracted move to Manchester United.

The settlement ends the threat of High Court action between West Ham and Tevez's representative Kia Joorabchian.

West Ham will receive a Â£2m fee for Tevez's registration.

The 23-year-old Argentine striker is understood to have already passed a medical and trained with United on Friday morning.

All sides were keen for the matter to be settled ahead of that time with the transfer window closing on 30 August.

Tevez's switch had stalled over who will be paid the transfer fee.

The Premier League and West Ham said the Hammers should receive the fee but companies MSI and Just Sports Inc, which belong to Joorabchian, said they owned the striker's economic rights.

Tevez arrived with fellow countryman Javier Mascherano at West Ham last August, and his outstanding form towards the end of last season effectively kept Alan Curbishley's side in the Premiership.

But there was always a shadow hanging over the deal after West Ham were fined Â£5.5m over the transfers of Tevez and Mascherano.

The club was found guilty of acting improperly and withholding vital documentation over the duo's ownership, but crucially avoided a points deduction.

West Ham said in a statement: "The settlement ends the current litigation taking place between the respective parties and provides for a Â£2m fee to be paid to West Ham.

"The agreement confirms that West Ham do have a valid player's contract with Carlos Tevez and hold the registration of the player. This will be released once the agreed fee has been paid to the club.

"The terms of the settlement are consistent with undertakings given by West Ham United to the Premier League and the rules of The Football Association."

West Ham chairman Eggert Magnusson added: "I am obviously pleased that we have finally reached the end of this saga through agreement and common sense.

"All parties involved can now move on and truly focus on the new season."

And a statement issued on behalf of Joorabchian, MSI Group Limited and Just Sport Inc, said: "We are delighted that a settlement has been reached between all parties to secure Carlos Tevez's move from West Ham United to Manchester United.

"The agreement brings an end to the legal proceedings started by us against West Ham United in the High Court last week.

"Our primary concern has always been to resolve this issue amicably and to allow Carlos to pursue his ambition to play for Manchester United. "Carlos is looking forward to being a Manchester United player and his ambition is close to being achieved."

R_U_Sure · **Joined:** Sat Jan 13 2007 **Posts:** 1467

On sportinglife theyre saying he passed his medical this morning and went to the training ground to meet everyone. He wont play against Chelsea this week but will be training for the start of next season.

viddleodge · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 16:52

i reckon saf will be beaming when his prize catch comes on with 15-20 left in the first game of the season and scores. a feat which will be repeated over and over, a la crespo, the sniper. :wink:

smithers · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 16:52

Flyman wrote:

chrislondonlad wrote:

Gameweeks 1-3 take place within the span of a single week, so the effect of purchases is diluted.

Don't panic.

NTIs are reset at the start of each GW.
A 0.3 rise is one gameweek is, I think, unheard of. However, a 0.1 rise in GW1 and a 0.2 rise in GW2 (or visa versa) is feasible, making him +0.3 by GW3.

I subscribe to the 'seeing him as a sub to start' philosophy, myself, but what do I know. :lol:

IIRC Berbatov went up .3 toward the end of last season.

Look at me on FISO again! was going to take a more casual approach to FPL this year but i've just been swapping my team around for the last. See you in the Slackers Flyman.

london dom · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 16:57

How unfit and lacking of match practice can he be seeing as he was playing for Argentina only three weeks ago?

A weeks training, miss the Charity Shield game, play in United's mid-week friendlies then in the team or on the bench for GW1. This is all assuming the deal goes through in the next 48 hours and not at the end of next week.

R_U_Sure · **Joined:** Sat Jan 13 2007 **Posts:** 1467

Prem statement on Tevez

Bob Newhart · **Joined:** Thu Oct 13 2005 **Posts:** 2996

london dom wrote:

A weeks training, miss the Charity Shield game, play in United's mid-week friendlies then in the team or on the bench for GW1. This is all assuming the deal goes through in the next 48 hours and not at the end of next week.

This has moved quicker than I'd've expected. If the deal is done in time, I'd hazard a bet he'll be on the bench for the friendly matches and, if fit enough, may even start in GW1.

slarty · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 17:19

RomynPG wrote:

Flyman wrote:

NTIs are reset at the start of each GW.

Are you sure?

I always thought it was Overall NTI/NTO not Gameweek NTI/NTO that counted. Otherwise how are there rises/falls on the evening after a deadline - there's never (or extremely rarely) enough buying/selling in one day to shift prices.

NTI/NTO figures are only reset once a threshold is crossed - not when a deadline is passed.

(I'm sure we had this discussion last year as well

)

Methinks Flyman has been sampling the amber nectar

*looks at watch and drools*

PS Johnson also managed a 0.3 rise

Flyman · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 17:49

slarty wrote:

RomynPG wrote:

Flyman wrote:

NTIs are reset at the start of each GW.

Are you sure?

I always thought it was Overall NTI/NTO not Gameweek NTI/NTO that counted. Otherwise how are there rises/falls on the evening after a deadline - there's never (or extremely rarely) enough buying/selling in one day to shift prices.

NTI/NTO figures are only reset once a threshold is crossed - not when a deadline is passed.

(I'm sure we had this discussion last year as well

)

Methinks Flyman has been sampling the amber nectar

*looks at watch and drools*

PS Johnson also managed a 0.3 rise

My apologies ....
What I meant to say was that the NTI thresholds are reset at each gameweek, i.e. if a player has already made one 0.1 rise at X NTI, but not made enough to make two in the same GW at a further (X x 2) NTI, the NTI threshold is reset to X NTI at the start of the next GW.
Therefore, players have a propensity to rise in price on the first day of a new gameweek.

I stand corrected on the 0.3m rise in one week. Thanks.

viddleodge · **Posted:** 03 Aug 2007, 17:56

the latest on tevez, he breathes in, he breathes out. :wink:

Tevez : An Offer Too Goo To Be Missed?...

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