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 Post subject: Any coarse fishermen about?
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2011, 00:49 
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Any tips etc to share?

Im really getting into my fishing at the moment but have lots to learn!


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2011, 02:50 
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Coarse fishing's wonderful so where should I begin...

1st) You'll need a rod LICENCE to be legal, along with extra permits as applicable.

2) Think "It's all about presentation" when tackling / baiting up:

You want the thinnest line for your intended quarry (so the fish can't see it - adds greatly to the "sport" value as you might on occasion need to "play" the fish you hook to tire them out, especially if the fish is heavier than the line's breaking strength).

Similarly, you'll need the smallest hook you think you can get away with and be sure to tie a good "proper" knot with excess line trimmed away. Then you want bait that will appeal the most to fish of the species / sizes you're aiming at.

Landing nets are great if you're after decent sized fish and a keep net is useful if you're into the idea of holding onto your catches for a while (say for purposes of competition / using caught fish as livebait / deadbait).

Half of the battle is in learning to think like a fish. Where exactly will they be? Are they feeding (if not, WHEN?)? What will they take? (Err on under-baiting your hooks if anything!)

If using maggots (probably the most popular bait) or earthworms, pick "lively" ones, trying to change your bait on every cast. Worms, you probably want to stab around the half-way mark, whilst maggots should be threaded through their rear ends.

If piking, you'll need treble hooks and wire traces (you tie the trace to the end of the line so so the pike doesn't snap you as it will half the time, otherwise).

Remember, there's no harm in targetting those you've had a visual sighting of! Shades should help you see into the depths more easily on a sunny day.

Ground bait's good in moderation. When you're happy with your cast and have hit a spot that you think you can (and would like to) cast out to again, throw a little bait / groundbait around your float / leger. BE SURE NOT TO OVER-FEED HERE, you want to attract a shoal to the area but you don't want them swiming off well-fed!

Make sure your float is correctly weighted at all times (just the tip above the water) and fish at the right depth. You'll have to work that out yourself: Attach a float and a leger (/ a load of weights) to the end of the line, initially. Cast out. If the float doesn't "cock" (think that's the right word! ;) ), move the float up a little. If it lies flat on the water, move it down a little on reeling in. As you generally want your bait at the bottom (most fish are bottom feeders), you need to get this right. Then replace the ledger/weights with your baited hook.

The idea is to get your bait to sink slowly (ie. "naturally"). So, it's all about where you attach the weights that are going to cock your float. Avoid using one large weight (unless legering off the bottom). Use several smaller ones just above and below your float (to keep it in position), a tiny one around a foot away from your hook and necessary extras somewhere in the middle.

You'll need lots of patience and you should avoid reeling in too excessively (too many casts won't be good for your bait amongst other things). Also, you'll need to develop a good idea of whether your casts are good and the bait is staying on your hook mostly, OR NOT. Replace lifeless bait (unless deadbait) immediately.

On reeling a fish in, you'll need to keep your rod UP to avoid the fish dropping off. (Barbed hooks are illegal nowadays, I think!)

When, casting out, cast a little further than your desired spot. Then, point your rod downwards and gently break the surface of the water with the tip. A little jerk of the rod (with a little reeling in at the same time), should sink your line, essential so that the fish don't get spooked.


Be as quiet as you can and try to dress in your green and browns for camouflage. You don't want them seeing you and being spooked. Pick up all your litter to avoid potential trouble.

You may need a disgorger for fish that have practically shat out your bait! ;) ;) ;) The idea is to know when to strike. You'll never miss a perch bite, but roach bites can a pain in the arse.

The more rods you own / take, the more fish you'll catch and fun you'll have.

Gently lower fish back into the water on returning them to minimise their loss of slime (which protects them from infection).

You might wish to take an mp3 player (with earphones), and a cameraphone and a set of scales (for weighing could be good). No-one likes a fisherman's tale without EVIDENCE!!! ;) ;) ;) Naturally, turn your phone off / put it on vibrate.




And above all else, don't fish in particularly dangerous places / near overhead power-lines etc. You don't want electrocuting!!! ;)

Good Luck and stay warm / cool / dry as applicable.

I'm assuming you're already familiar with taking your reel's bail arm off to cast / when letting big fish "run". Of course, if you know there're submerged obstacles where you're planning to fish, try to avoid letting fish take you were you might get snagged and lose them (and possibly half your tackle!!!).

I think that's 99% of generalities covered. Let me know if you've any specifics. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2011, 07:13 
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:lol: like it.


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2011, 07:53 
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Many thanks for that huge and detailed post, much appriciated and hopefully someone new to fishing will appriciate the info! Perhaps I should have explained where im at though..

I started fishing really last summer properly as I had done it previously when I was younger but I didnt take it seriously. I mainly fished a friendly match on thursdays at my local pond and then over on a carp lake when I had the time. I didnt bother in the winter as I found fishing in the wet and cold effing horrible! But i started up again this summer with matches most weekends and and thursday eves.

On the weekend matches are on some lakes owned by former world champion Ian Heaps http://www.ian-heaps.com/
but I just get my arse handed to me every time by the guys that fish there regulalry. They mainly catch with paste and pellets but i struggle with paste - shotting the float getting it to stay on etc...

I also recently qualified for a final thats taking place in a couple of weeks http://www.fishing.visitwales.com/en/co ... s_coarse_/ (thats me on the right :) ) but its on my mind constantly.. when I go to bed and when I wake up how I want to fish, new ideas etc

Theres a good head of roach and rudd there and then some big grass carp up to 30lb and these carp seriously fight...
Theres some many things to try though! do i stick to the tactics i qualified with or try something new?

Anyway I have definately got the bug..


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2011, 08:26 
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Homework and preperation is the key my friend if you want to beat the the best on your chosen venue walk the match lakes and see what the top anglers who are catching the most are doing and using to catch their fish never be afraid to ask questions to gain valuble knowledge most will tell you their tatics and secrets and remember practice makes perfect, workout what fish to target in order to win the match and have a plan B just incase, maybe the carp have an off day can you win with silver fish or a combination of both? its important to make the right decisions at the right time and make sure your golden hand picks out the right peg in the right area KNOW THE PEGS carp in particular seem to frequent regular areas of any given venue but dont worry if you dont draw the best pegs remember they have fins and above all good luck and just enjoy your day.


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2011, 09:50 
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Hi, good to know there are other anglers here! I thought Groomyd and I were alone.
In a way, we still are as he's a salt water chap and I'm almost solely a fly fisherman these days but I did begin with the worm.

Gurn King 69's post was excellent for beginners and wiseowl65's point about local knowledge is spot on. There's nothing to beat it however you fish.

Have you fished the competition water before? If not, try to spend some time there familiarising yourself and asking questions. Knowing how you intend to approach your big day should help settle your mind and give you confidence - and sleep! :lol:

Whenever I'm heading into new territory I run through my old Trout and Salmons for relevant articles and scour my fishing books for references, then trawl through the internet for fishing forum talk on the place. Maybe there are equivalents in coarse fishing?

If you're having trouble with paste - and you say it is very effective where you are - why not make a determined effort to master it? Do some background reading and spend some time on the water dedicated to the method and see if you can't crack it.

Whatever your specific problems are you can bet that someone else has experienced them before. Why not sign up to a specialist forum to discuss the nitty gritty?
I use FlyFishingForums who have a sub-forum for coarse fishing (link provided) but I'm sure there are other options out there.

I see that Ian Heaps wrote a book on coarse fishing back in the '80s. Methods will have developed since he wrote it but there will probably be a few nuggets there as well. It might be worth reading it then addressing any questions it raises to the man himself, if possible?

Sorry I can't be of any real help. I hope you have a great day when it comes - let us know how you get on!


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2011, 13:31 
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Hi Flyman

I yeah i have fished it twice this year in the qualifiers and a couple of times last year so I kind of know what I need to do in the final.. made some mistakes in the qualifiers with the feeding and with the shot on the line.. sorted my rigs out and had a practice last night on my local pond and im happy with them :)

I have a battle plan going into the weekend but I cant stop thinking about other things I can try! My concern then is that if I try too much ill weaken my original plan that kind of worked in the qualifyer.

Im hoping to have time to go for a practice at the venue this sat so I may try one or two ideas..

I have attached the pics of the carp I caught in the qualifyer. Pretty streamlined powerful fish!


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2011, 13:45 
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Nice fish!
Hmmm. Tbh, I'd start with what you know works but have a back-up plan to switch to should you need it. Better to start with confidence and see how the opposition fare before taking risks, I suspect?


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2011, 13:49 
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yeah thats the idea.. there will be twice as many people fishing in the final so it could be more difficult to get the carp so I need a backup plan.. All good fun though :)


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 13:25 
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Fishing a silvermatch tonight local 6-9 pm

last 2 weeks ive fished it ive had the distinction of drawing the peg next to the eventual winner. First week 'all in' winner had 77 lb of Carp :shock: Second week silverfish was won with 32 lb.

3rd time lucky


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 13:29 
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Best of luck mate. Whats your bait of choice? Casters?


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 13:35 
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Good luck Sleuth and Chris - those carp look in lovely condition. I had a bit of luck the other day, fishing for barbel in the Bristol Avon. I'd had a couple of small chub then out came … a 9lb pike. On luncheon meat! Hooked right in the corner of the mouth, or I would never have got it in. I don't usually fish for them so that's my biggest to date. Didn't get a sniff of a barbel though. :(


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 13:42 
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Chrisharry12345 wrote:
Best of luck mate. Whats your bait of choice? Casters?



Luncheon meat and pellet- although fished Sunday morning last- and 2 blokes opposite pulled out about 20 bream on sweetcorn, so i might stick a small tin in with me
loosefeed hemp.

Knowing my luck i will catch a few carp as i did in the last silverfish match :evil:


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 13:43 
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roadrunner wrote:
Good luck Sleuth and Chris - those carp look in lovely condition. I had a bit of luck the other day, fishing for barbel in the Bristol Avon. I'd had a couple of small chub then out came … a 9lb pike. On luncheon meat! Hooked right in the corner of the mouth, or I would never have got it in. I don't usually fish for them so that's my biggest to date. Didn't get a sniff of a barbel though. :(


Ditto geezer opposite me caught his first Pike on Luncheon meat the other day, similar size, fortunately the hook came out when he netted it as i walked over with my forceps.


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 13:52 
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sleuth wrote:
Chrisharry12345 wrote:
Best of luck mate. Whats your bait of choice? Casters?



Luncheon meat and pellet- although fished Sunday morning last- and 2 blokes opposite pulled out about 20 bream on sweetcorn, so i might stick a small tin in with me
loosefeed hemp.

Knowing my luck i will catch a few carp as i did in the last silverfish match :evil:



Typical isnt it.. last silverfish match I had, crucians were taking it on the surface as I cast out.. must have been 20 in front of me at one point. Im going to feed caster and caster on the hook when I go for the silvers on sunday, with the odd double maggot and the odd sweetcorn. Try and speed fish for the roach and catch a few carp in the last two hours.. the carp doesnt seem to feed before that. I dont think i have a chance going for silvers for the full 5 hours as Ian Heaps is fishing and hes bound to bag up on the silvers


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 14:03 
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Well I never…

Firstly: who would have thought Dot was an angler!!!
Perhaps this is the route to common ground between him and Groomy?

Secondly: ChrisHarry - he could give life skills to Hugh Hefner on how to treat women; I dont know how you get away with it Chris. Avid Fantasy Footballer (very time consuming). Avid gamer (very time consuming). And now it turns out you go fishing (again, something which is usually an all day type past time). You must have the most understanding bird in the world!!!!


I used to do a fair bit of fishing in my younger days (until the usual distractions came along). Probably a good 15 years since I went fishing and a few more than that since i was regular.

Would like to get back into it (have a few friends that have got back into it in the last 3 or 4 years). But I cant seem to justify the time it requires. I guess as we dont have any european football this season, i might be able to justify disappearing a bit more on the weekend's we arent at home :D


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 14:19 
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The lakes on my doorstep and i'm more a pleasure fisherman tbh. Didn't get the time to go last year even renewing licences etc.

Wed nite evening matches i'm trying to attend a couple but i have to leave work early its abit tight getting home and getting up to the lake before you draw pegs at 5.30.

Had 3 great days pleasure fishing my lake this month best day must of easily surpassed 100 lb of fish but you can only use a keepnet on the matches so dont know for sure, but Roach to 1lb loads, a few tench , at least a dozen 3-4 lb bream and several carp to double figures. lost loads of carp using 5lb mainline to a 14 hook so just got some new line on my old mitchel match reels, never had or used or know how to use a pole, more than happy fishing under the rodtip , this lake is prolific- especially if you draw end pegs 10 or 11.
Serious match anglers im fishing against but i've won the midweek matches twice before on the all in nights catching 3 carp for about 30 odd lb.

I'd rather catch a 2 lb roach/perch than a 10 lb carp and theres roach to about 2 1/2 lb and Perch to 4 lb in my lake.
I've had them to 1 1'2 lb respectively some nice pics on my phone.


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 15:10 
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Yeah she is pretty chilled zimm. Sometimes comes with me and sits behind and reads.. I cant do both though my fishing season starts when the fantasy football one ends.. Pretty much anyway!


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 15:23 
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sleuth wrote:
The lakes on my doorstep and i'm more a pleasure fisherman tbh. Didn't get the time to go last year even renewing licences etc.

Wed nite evening matches i'm trying to attend a couple but i have to leave work early its abit tight getting home and getting up to the lake before you draw pegs at 5.30.

Had 3 great days pleasure fishing my lake this month best day must of easily surpassed 100 lb of fish but you can only use a keepnet on the matches so dont know for sure, but Roach to 1lb loads, a few tench , at least a dozen 3-4 lb bream and several carp to double figures. lost loads of carp using 5lb mainline to a 14 hook so just got some new line on my old mitchel match reels, never had or used or know how to use a pole, more than happy fishing under the rodtip , this lake is prolific- especially if you draw end pegs 10 or 11.
Serious match anglers im fishing against but i've won the midweek matches twice before on the all in nights catching 3 carp for about 30 odd lb.

I'd rather catch a 2 lb roach/perch than a 10 lb carp and theres roach to about 2 1/2 lb and Perch to 4 lb in my lake.
I've had them to 1 1'2 lb respectively some nice pics on my phone.


Hey Dot, are a very quiet and humble winner?

You could do for fishing, what Barry Hearn has done for darts :D


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 15:37 
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Zimmerman wrote:
sleuth wrote:
The lakes on my doorstep and i'm more a pleasure fisherman tbh. Didn't get the time to go last year even renewing licences etc.

Wed nite evening matches i'm trying to attend a couple but i have to leave work early its abit tight getting home and getting up to the lake before you draw pegs at 5.30.

Had 3 great days pleasure fishing my lake this month best day must of easily surpassed 100 lb of fish but you can only use a keepnet on the matches so dont know for sure, but Roach to 1lb loads, a few tench , at least a dozen 3-4 lb bream and several carp to double figures. lost loads of carp using 5lb mainline to a 14 hook so just got some new line on my old mitchel match reels, never had or used or know how to use a pole, more than happy fishing under the rodtip , this lake is prolific- especially if you draw end pegs 10 or 11.
Serious match anglers im fishing against but i've won the midweek matches twice before on the all in nights catching 3 carp for about 30 odd lb.

I'd rather catch a 2 lb roach/perch than a 10 lb carp and theres roach to about 2 1/2 lb and Perch to 4 lb in my lake.
I've had them to 1 1'2 lb respectively some nice pics on my phone.


Hey Dot, are a very quiet and humble winner?

You could do for fishing, what Barry Hearn has done for darts :D



Yeah maybe- it's about the only time i keep my big gob shut as i like my own company fishing and mostly go by myself. Although i do F alot if i loose a decent fish especially if you dont even see it.


Nothing beats being at the waterside at 4 am on a Summers morning.


Just given the wife an earbashing as she's forgot my luncheon meat and i barely have enough time to cut it up in small cubes to fit a 14 hook. Just about to leave now
Hope the eff train is ontime or i'm fooked.


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 22:29 
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How did you get on?


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 Post subject: Re: Any course fishermen about?
PostPosted: 30 Jun 2011, 08:46 
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Pretty poor.

Weighed in 4 lb 8 ounces- One decent Bream and a few small Roach. Had a bit of difficulty in my swim with trees eitherside and above difficulty casting striking.

match won with 13 lb 4 ouces joint. Mainly Bream and Roach

No Tench/Perch caught- no decent Roach/Rudd were caught either.
Only about 10 anglers fished too which was a poor turn out. Still enjoyed it and will hopefully fish next Wednesday all in match. Suprisingly nobody hooked a Carp either by all accounts.


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