Two corrections:
1. You misquoted me - of course no one is denying Palestinians the right to exist (I certainly would hope not!), but
Israel and the US are denying Palestine's right to exist as a nation.
I'm sorry but that is a rubbish statement. As far as Israel is concered, the Palestinians, the Ulmeks and the Martians all have the right to exist as a nation. We all (here in Israel) recognise their right to exist as a free nation, an independent people, regardless of their background and roots be them fictitious or not. They are a people today and thus have a right for self-determination. I repeat for the umpteenth time because it is so much sexier or seemingly progressive to say that Israel and the US deny that. Absolute rubbish to make that claim and it is nothing - yet again - but inflammatory.Israel has always been steadfast that its right to exist should be accepted by all without preconditions (and as I stated in my post that is absolutely correct). Likewise the same should go for Palestine - not sure what is so wrong or controversial to say that
No one said that you were wrong. Is this the best way you can construct an argument? You claim we either misqouted you or that your discussion opponent made a counter claim which he never did. 2. I may be ignorant of many aspects of this (aren't we all to some extent?)
Well, that is exactly the case, NO! Not all of us are ignorant and even more so when you put your general knowledge garnered from media and regular learning against someone who lives these conditions and issues on a daily basis. Someone who grew up in these scenarios, visited these places as a child, adult, civilian, soldier, observer and active participant. Our base knowledge difference is vast as for me it is part of who I am, and for you, it is merely another issue of interest, just like FPL or your daily vocation., but please do not resort to the lame he supports Palestine therefore must be an antisemite line (personally, I think you did a pretty reasonable job of countering my arguments without throwing in unmerited personal abuse)
That part was seperate from my answers to you, quite clearly acually, and was not directed at you - check my post again. But it is not without reason that I say this... history has taught us differently despite what some/most poeple will say out loud or even just to themselves.
(If you like reading, more than just summaries of classic works, I'd recommend this book if you want to understand this notion of persecution. It's a modern novel called 'The Book of Abraham' by the author Marek Halter, published by The Toby Press {London} in 2003. ISBN 1 59264 039 7.) 
As for your suggested viewings I look forward to watching them now
With respect to my other comments, apologies if you think they were inflamatory. It is simply frustrating to see this theatre played out in slow motion at the cost of numerous lives every year (Israeli, Palestinian, and insecurity elsewhere)
(How very true. As a side note, do consider how each of the protagonists deem and value human lives, both in dealing with its own population and in dealing with the 'enemy'.)when it simply seems to me like there is a foregone conclusion as to what the eventual outcome will be. Yes, I was being slightly sarcastic. However, there is a part of me that does think that if this really is how it will be (and it sure as hell seems to be that way),
I can assure you that we here in Israel, don't even know what the outcome will be, although 95% of us have resigned to the notion of a Palestinian independent state within the West bank or the old 1967 cease fire lines. It's something we all know that will happen, there is even some positive expectation that it will happen asap for the benefit of all of us, under negotiations and acceptence of our conditions regarding security and such. Do NOT let sensationnalist reporters craving the limelight to pursuade you of anything else.why not get on with it and then everyone can perhaps get on with their lives. Do we really want another fifty years of terrorist attacks, military attacks, war, creeping settlements, etc?
The answer here is an unequivocal, resounding NO, and I can speak for Israelis who for some generations now promise their kids that by the time they grow up, they won't have to serve in the military like I did. I have a 5 months old child and I pray he doesn't have to go what I went through. Though if it will come to this at his time, he will defend his/my/our country just like I did.I certainly hope Steph that you watched the videos/clips above, if not to gain more knowledge, then at least to understand what the Israeli side is saying/thinking.
As per your post above regarding the determination of the Palestinians as 'a people' or 'a nation' let us please differentiate between history and facts on one side, to the situation we face today which is also undeniable. I repeat, there is a group of people of an Arab decent who live in our region and has developed in the last 40 years an identity, which forces everyone to solve their problem, in this case by giving them a country. They shall have it, but not at the cost of Israeli lives. Here is a clip regarding the origins of the Palestinian people...
to see what comes out of the Security Council with regards to the Palestinian State decision, things move on as normal...
Unfortunately... this is NOT going to happen, although we are close to launching a new satelite which will be able to see how many sugar spoons are used at the Iranian nuclear facilities coffee machine 
although I checked and they loaded up just fine.]
"biased and blinkered"? I'm one of the protagonists in the afore-mentioned discussion topic for starters and speaking from the very ground for the main point. I can't be "biased and blinkered" you 'speaking English as your third language' illeterate.
