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 Post subject: OFL 1st Place Tie Scoring
PostPosted: 27 Jun 2011, 00:22 
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I have been playing this game for years now and I only just realised that if two players tie for first place the sudden death play off doesn't count and they both get the same 1st place points. This seems a bit rum after watching Larrazabal play his heart out to beat Sergio on the 5th play off hole. Should there not be an additional couple of points for the outright winner. (guess who has Larrrazabal) :wink:


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 Post subject: FL scoring
PostPosted: 27 Jun 2011, 02:22 
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Sergio earned an extra five points for a best round. That's why he accumulated the same number of points as the eventual play-off winner.

Of the final top ten at the BMW International Open, both Jamieson and Stenson also earned a best round bonus:

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1 P Larrazabal 32
2 Ser Garcia   32
3 G Coetzee    22
3 M Foster     22
3 R Goosen     22
3 S Jamieson   27
3 J Luiten     22
9 R Fisher     14
9 L Slattery   14
9 H Stenson    19

All the same, pa, glad to see Pablo helped propel your team forward in our prize league...


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 Post subject: Re: OFL 1st Place Tie Scoring
PostPosted: 27 Jun 2011, 10:26 
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I told you guys Pablo would win soon...

(it was a long wait, but I called it)


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 Post subject: Re: OFL 1st Place Tie Scoring
PostPosted: 27 Jun 2011, 10:58 
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I told you guys Pablo would win soon...

(it was a long wait, but I called it)

You are fantastic, Kdub. Who will win next? Westwood? Donald? Garcia? I need to know as I missed out on Pablo.


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 Post subject: Re: OFL 1st Place Tie Scoring
PostPosted: 27 Jun 2011, 11:33 
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Jonathan wrote:
Kdub wrote:
I told you guys Pablo would win soon...

(it was a long wait, but I called it)

You are fantastic, Kdub. Who will win next? Westwood? Donald? Garcia? I need to know as I missed out on Pablo.


Marathon Jon... Sergio is in the form of his life.

I'm putting 100 quid on Miguel Angel Jimeneth @ 125/1


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 Post subject: The Winner Takes It All...
PostPosted: 28 Jun 2011, 14:52 
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Quite remarkably, serial winner Tony Murnaghan won the weekly prize for the second successive week...with the same team!

What's even more remarkable is that he didn't make any transfers between the US Open and BMW International Open/Travelers Championship and that five of his "fillers" were simply brought in from the practice ground from the US Open in preparation for the second week - Garcia was the only player who represented his team in both weeks.

Now that's some serious squad rotation!


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 Post subject: Re: The Winner Takes It All...
PostPosted: 28 Jun 2011, 15:24 
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Mr Green wrote:
Quite remarkably, serial winner Tony Murnaghan won the weekly prize for the second successive week...with the same team!

What's even more remarkable is that he didn't make any transfers between the US Open and BMW International Open/Travelers Championship and that five of his "fillers" were simply brought in from the practice ground from the US Open in preparation for the second week - Garcia was the only player who represented his team in both weeks.

Now that's some serious squad rotation!

I noticed Tony had won 2 weeks running - didn't realise it was with the same team! :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: OFL 1st Place Tie Scoring
PostPosted: 28 Jun 2011, 22:33 
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Mr Green wrote:
Quite remarkably, serial winner Tony Murnaghan won the weekly prize for the second successive week...with the same team!

What's even more remarkable is that he didn't make any transfers between the US Open and BMW International Open/Travelers Championship and that five of his "fillers" were simply brought in from the practice ground from the US Open in preparation for the second week - Garcia was the only player who represented his team in both weeks.

Now that's some serious squad rotation!

I noticed Tony had won 2 weeks running - didn't realise it was with the same team!

Was gobsmacked when I saw it myself - My initial reaction was that there had been a delay in updating the Weekly Leaderboard :lol:

By my calculations the odds of this happening were in excess of 2,000,000/1 - Time to buy a lottery ticket :lol:

Unfortunately, this particular team was ranked outside the top 1,500 om the overall leaderboard before the US Open but has risen into the top 500 now :wink: Only had 5 players in action this week so decided to make a change in an effort to land a threetimer - no pressure on you now Mr Peter Hanson :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: OFL 1st Place Tie Scoring
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 00:21 
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Far be it from me to question your knowledge of probabilities TonyM, given your numerous successes in the fantasy world, but the odds aren't anything like 2M/1 surely, given that you had already won the week before - your odds of winning the following week should be more or less the same as they were the previous week - perhaps a little less given that you didn't make any transfers. Or am I wrong?

Of course, if you had told us two weeks ago you had a team that was going to do a double, or should you manage the treble this week, that will be nearer the ball-park. How did you get to 2M/1 anyway?

2,000,000/1 is more like the odds of me winning OFL golf (or any fantasy golf for that matter) this season, though I have scraped into the top 1k now. :oops:


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 Post subject: Re: OFL 1st Place Tie Scoring
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 01:21 
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Far be it from me to question your knowledge of probabilities TonyM, given your numerous successes in the fantasy world, but the odds aren't anything like 2M/1 surely, given that you had already won the week before - your odds of winning the following week should be more or less the same as they were the previous week - perhaps a little less given that you didn't make any transfers. Or am I wrong?

Of course, if you had told us two weeks ago you had a team that was going to do a double, or should you manage the treble this week, that will be nearer the ball-park. How did you get to 2M/1 anyway?

2,000,000/1 is more like the odds of me winning OFL golf (or any fantasy golf for that matter) this season, though I have scraped into the top 1k now. :oops:


2,000/1 ish for week 1
2,000/1 ish for week 2

week 1 * week 2 + week 1 + week 2 = odds of it happening (approx. 4 million to 1)

his chances of winning this week are once again 2,000/1 ish


(In reality, Tony's chances of winning in back to back weeks with the same team are about 250/1 - coz he's that good)


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 Post subject: Re: OFL 1st Place Tie Scoring
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 02:06 
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Tony is the Lee Westwood of OFL...

Dominating player, but never won the big one.

That's how hard it is to win an overall comp.


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 Post subject: In All Probability
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 09:34 
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AKNel1 wrote:
Pincher wrote:
Far be it from me to question your knowledge of probabilities TonyM, given your numerous successes in the fantasy world, but the odds aren't anything like 2M/1 surely, given that you had already won the week before - your odds of winning the following week should be more or less the same as they were the previous week - perhaps a little less given that you didn't make any transfers. Or am I wrong?

Of course, if you had told us two weeks ago you had a team that was going to do a double, or should you manage the treble this week, that will be nearer the ball-park. How did you get to 2M/1 anyway?

2,000,000/1 is more like the odds of me winning OFL golf (or any fantasy golf for that matter) this season, though I have scraped into the top 1k now. :oops:


2,000/1 ish for week 1
2,000/1 ish for week 2

week 1 * week 2 + week 1 + week 2 = odds of it happening (approx. 4 million to 1)

his chances of winning this week are once again 2,000/1 ish


I guess it depends on what way you look at it - assuming that all teams have an equal probability of winning each week (which isn't strictly true), the probability of a particular individual team winning two successive weekly prizes on two assigned weeks is as AKNel's calculation above.

However, the probability of any one of Tony's teams achieving this is obviously far less (4,000,000 divided by the total number of Tony's teams).

As quoted by Pincher, the probability of Tony winning the second week in a row given that he had won the US Open the week before would only be approximately 2,000-1 - as it would be for any team to win an individual week.

Even so, a quite remarkable feat which I doubt will be repeated for quite some time...and if it was, I'd expect it to be in events with similar fields (such as the WGC Bridgestone Invitational followed by the USPGA or end of season stand-alone European Tour events).


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 Post subject: Re: In All Probability
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 09:41 
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Even so, a quite remarkable feat which I doubt will be repeated for quite some time...and if it was, I'd expect it to be in events with similar fields (such as the WGC Bridgestone Invitational followed by the USPGA or end of season stand-alone European Tour events).

I'm going for it though Mr Green :wink: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: OFL 1st Place Tie Scoring
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 14:29 
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If However Tony M had predicted he was going to win 2 weeks on the trot with that particular team prior to the first event then we can offer him multiplied odds. Never 2000 * 2000 due to stripping for those teams not managed / those teams who could not field 6 , Tonys undoubted knowledge and also an element of players playing well - playing well the following week (Although in this instance it was not the same players)

either way - nice one tony!!!

i am planning on a couple of wins in next 4 which i think will be more impressive considering i havent managed a top 10 all year :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: OFL 1st Place Tie Scoring
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 14:57 
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Agreed - great achievement regardless. One day, maybe ...


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 Post subject: Re: OFL 1st Place Tie Scoring
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 20:59 
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Pincher wrote:
Far be it from me to question your knowledge of probabilities TonyM, given your numerous successes in the fantasy world, but the odds aren't anything like 2M/1 surely, given that you had already won the week before - your odds of winning the following week should be more or less the same as they were the previous week - perhaps a little less given that you didn't make any transfers. Or am I wrong?

Of course, if you had told us two weeks ago you had a team that was going to do a double, or should you manage the treble this week, that will be nearer the ball-park. How did you get to 2M/1 anyway?

2,000,000/1 is more like the odds of me winning OFL golf (or any fantasy golf for that matter) this season, though I have scraped into the top 1k now. :oops:


My rough figures were based on the likelihood of any given team winning the next 2 weeks in a row ( I reckoned that 25% of total entry could be inactive at this stage but that percentage might be much higher) - I agree of course that once a team has won the 1st week the odds of repeating the feat the following week are only circa 1,500/1.

The mention of inactive teams reminded me of the team that is currently lying in 7th place in the Overall Leaderboard (Daveys Dreamteam) - Seems to have been untouched for the last month or so and still has 27 transfers left :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: OFL 1st Place Tie Scoring
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 21:17 
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Kdub wrote:
Tony is the Lee Westwood of OFL...

Dominating player, but never won the big one.

That's how hard it is to win an overall comp.


True - not managed to land the FLG top prize yet but like Lee I have not given up yet......

In the meantime I will just have to console myself as being a two time winner of The Irish Times Golf Masters which carried a 1st prize of €20,000 :wink: - Sadly that particular gave has now been replaced by a much inferior Silent Manager game (effectively a copycat of the game in The Scotsman) :(


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PostPosted: 29 Jun 2011, 22:06 
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TonyM 11 wrote:

The mention of inactive teams reminded me of the team that is currently lying in 7th place in the Overall Leaderboard (Daveys Dreamteam) - Seems to have been untouched for the last month or so and still has 27 transfers left :shock:


I remember this team from the US open when he moved up from about 43rd to 2nd thanks to Day and McIlroy.

You see a lot of odd things going on, for example the guy in 18th has used 2 transfers this week (now just 10 left) to bring in Snedeker and Love III - neither are playing this week! :?


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