Amazing stuff!



An outburst of the highest and finest order.

Brilliant ! That deserves a wider audience,which will bring votes piling in for UKIP at the next General Election.

My only fear with UKIP is, if they ever got a sniff of power, they would just end up as a political pawn, like the Lb Dems.

The Daily Mail and it's readers will always worship him

Er, that and the little englander racism

An Englishman standing up for England. Shock, horror

Much better to have a Belgian nonentity at the helm. Wally or walloon

I don't know what makes you think that, as you don't read the Daily Mail do you, so you must have gained that impression from the Guardian,or some other left wing European news source ?

However I do read the Daily Mail, which perhaps inevitably seems to be despised by the left wing majority of Fisoers - or at least most of those who choose to air their political views on the board and typically tend to be the most vociferous,and I can honestly say that I haven't seen Nigel Farage mentioned once in the Mail for ages.

However,it wouldn't surprise me at all to see some well deserved coverage of his above speech in the near future,which irrespective of party allegiances, surely deserves the same respect George Galloway would earn even from his political opponents - delivered with great eloquence with hardly any reference to his notes.

An example of great oratory I thought,sadly not a feature often demonstrated by European politicans:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7981471.stm

Why?

Seriously

If you're asking why Nigel Farage hasn't received much coverage in the newspaper,I suggest you ask their Editor,not me.

I always get the impression that it's the other way around.

The Daily Mail are more EDL these days

George Galloway is an idiot as is Farage. I read the Mail because I used to have a blog pointing out their lies and racism but after many cease and desist letter from the racist rag it was taken down. Blogs however are easy to start so I will start a new one and email Dacre the address so he can comment.

Hardly,if you've followed the paper's coverage of the St Paul's campers.

It's more with the way they allow comments on mailonline. They give the EDL free reign to comment on muslim and immigration stories but remove most comments that criticise the EDL. Anyway after tomorrow the EDL will fracture and will be history.

Whatever you may think of George Galloway,and left-wingers don't come more strident than him, you surely must admire his ability to convey his views though ?

I think he has few rivals in that respect among today's politicians,and that's what this thread is about,i.e. before it was hijacked off topic by a Moderator to serve as an anti-Daily Mail crusade platform.

Superb speech, and superb content. It mystifies me how politicians can take an idea that is deeply, fatally flawed in theory, watch it fail in practice and still convince the public it is a good idea.

I know why they do it, they are power hungry and want their part of the gravy train and more, it's how that I don't understand.

Hitler could speak with passion but it didn't make him right.

Lock the thread we're there already!

This clip is 12 months old isn't it? I remember it from the first time around.

A timeless classic, then...

I'm not sure now. Not sure if it is the clip I am thinking of. Still good stuff though.

Can doing a speech in front of a handful of people who couldn't give a shit what he says really be inspiring?
He claims to hate the EU but is happy to milk the gravy train because he knows he is on easy street thanks to the dimwits who vote for him.

[quote]Whatever you may think of George Galloway,and left-wingers don't come more strident than him, you surely must admire his ability to convey his views though ?
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I actually agree. The faces of those watching him were priceless

Having said that, I am very much pro the EU project as a whole (but not necessarily the Euro). The supposed negatives (straight bananas, human rights gone mad etc) are trivial scaremongering stories. Every country in the Eurozone has retained its democracies, its own laws, and its own cultural identity and customs (US cultural influences are a much bigger threat to those!). The positives are profound and history changing, though boring in practice for the casual observer (boring is good when it comes to international relations!):

1. after centuries of war including a whole half of the 20th Century we now don't have to fear a war with our neighbours - Germany, France, Spain or whoever.
2. Failed states (ex-jugoslavia), ex-communist states, developing countries (Greece and Spain), fascist states (Spain, Greece) have all been modernised, democratised, and made considerably more wealthy over the past fourty years, and this process continues today.
3. People have short memories, but without integration of the ex-Eastern block countries and promise of all the benefits brought by EU membership we would certainly have seen the rise of fascism again somewhere.

Human Rights have gone mad and fortunately the powers that be are trying to strike up a deal which gives Britain, not Europe, the chance to over rule cases such as this :-

In December 2009 attempts to deport Aso Mohammed Ibrahim, an Iraqi Kurd, failed because human rights legislation entitled him to a "family life" in UK. Ibrahim knocked down and killed Amy Houston, 12, in Blackburn, Lancashire, in 2003 and was later jailed for driving while disqualified.

There are too many cases like this. X is a paedophile and y is a murderer and we want them deported to the country of their origin but Europe says "Non", they should not be sent back because they would be persecuted in that country. I do not want Europe to make these decisions.

Obviously we want to be part of the EEC and have close economic ties with other countries. We do not want war and that is the main thing. However, juts because Greek Doctors, amongst many of that country's population, have on purposeley severley understated their income on Tax Returns and as a result (or to an extent), that country now is bankrupt, I'm glad I'm not going to have to bale them out. Italy has the same avoidance of tax mentality and Spain has terrible youth unemployment and very worrying debt. If Britain were part of the Euro, we'd spend that much bailing out other countries we'd be bankrupt ourselves (even though we are in way, already )

This one is good too:

Interesting to see how differently this matter is reported by The Guardian and The Daily Mail.

The Guardian explains that "The legal process may have failed Amy and her family, but these failures have nothing whatsoever to do with the Human Rights Act. " http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/libertycentral/2010/dec/28/human-rights-act-aso-mohammed-ibrahim

Whereas The Daily Mail uses quotes such as "the Human Rights Act is on the side of criminals, terrorists and thieves against law-abiding citizens." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339142/Asylum-seeker-Aso-Mohammed-Ibrahim-let-girl-12-die-stay-UK.html

Not exactly surprising but a good example of how the same story can be reported in entirely different ways depending upon that newspaper's political agenda.

Interesting tactic there AMc; a critical examination of the facts backed up by verifiable sources. It's certainly different...

Having read the article, it IS the Human Rights Act that is now preventing his deportation. However, they are right that our own system screwed up in many ways before that, leading to this position.

As you say, 2 ways to spin a story. The Guardian are as guilty as The Mail of playing with the truth to their own ends.