Kompany red card

firestarter197 · **Joined:** Mon May 02 2011 **Posts:** 84

He just got a red card in the FA cup match against Man U. I'm assuming that the three match ban will be served in the PL and Carling Cup matches, ie he will miss the Wigan (16th), Tottenham (22nd) and Liverpool (25th) matches. Bad news for those who have him, myself included.

grob · **Posted:** 08 Jan 2012, 14:34

MC will probably successfully appeal.

From4corners · **Joined:** Mon Aug 24 2009 **Posts:** 3678

And why would that be? A red card which was deserved on my watch.

grob · **Posted:** 08 Jan 2012, 14:44

....because both Kompany's feet were on the ground at the moment of the tackle,which he won cleanly. Not even worth a YC

Three6mafia · **Joined:** Tue Jan 04 2011 **Posts:** 256

From4corners wrote:

And why would that be? A red card which was deserved on my watch.

Wow im pleased youre not a ref. Ive only turned on recently and seen just the one replay but it looked fairly text book.

organdonor47 · **Posted:** 08 Jan 2012, 14:49

juts seen it, am relieved as it looks like they'll be able to appeal. no way a red, or even a yellow. my most embarrassing transfer ever may actually turn out ok.

sween · **Joined:** Fri Jul 24 2009 **Posts:** 415

Was never a red in my opinion and should be appealed. Silly challenge but still just a yellow.

From4corners · **Joined:** Mon Aug 24 2009 **Posts:** 3678

Laws of the game my friends. Two legged tackle, studs up = red (how stupid it is indeed as Kompany does indeed play the ball)

Stemania · **Posted:** 08 Jan 2012, 15:01

Didn't even think it was a foul at the time, the clue being that nani didn't react at all (he normally cries like a baby at any touch).

But on closer inspection, I don't think there's any way the fa will/can recind the red as the fact is it was two footed and just off the ground, regardless of whether it was dangerous or not. They'd open up a huge can of worms if they did.

fodzilla · **Posted:** 08 Jan 2012, 15:07

What's the usual turnaround on an appeal?

muld · **Joined:** Thu Oct 13 2005 **Posts:** 273

An appeal will fail, letter of the law that was a red. I disagree with it but they cannot possibly revoke it. Especially after Nenad Milijas's failed appeal.

Carlb5253 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 14 2011 **Posts:** 561

You really think the FA will rescind that?

Your living in a dream world

Super Hans · **Joined:** Fri Jul 10 2009 **Posts:** 2597

It's his second red so I think he misses 4 games.

TheTon · **Joined:** Wed Aug 16 2006 **Posts:** 9909

Stemania wrote:

But on closer inspection, I don't think there's any way the fa will/can recind the red as the fact is it was two footed and just off the ground, regardless of whether it was dangerous or not. They'd open up a huge can of worms if they did.

Sounds just like the sort of thing the FA would do to me :wink:

Super Hans · **Joined:** Fri Jul 10 2009 **Posts:** 2597

No matter how harsh it was, it was two footed, that won't get rescinded.

reds363 · **Posted:** 08 Jan 2012, 16:23

Super Hans wrote:

It's his second red so I think he misses 4 games.

Good spot. Still only 2 Prem games though:

Liverpool (Carling Cup 1st leg)
Wigan (GW21)
Spurs (GW22)
Liverpool (Carling Cup 2nd leg)

back for GW23

Could have been either yellow or red, but was asking for trouble going two-footed: even though he did get the ball in the end it could have been really bad for Nani if he'd not avoided the tackle. No chance they'll rescind it.

Achiles74 · **Posted:** 08 Jan 2012, 16:27

Definite sending off, both feet up flying in.

Does it take a player to break a leg before the opposing player is sent off?

greenman · **Posted:** 08 Jan 2012, 16:58

I've had Kompany since the start so don't fancy selling him at the moment and will probably rely on Danny Simpson who is a very able sub and two reasonable fixtures in the next two gameweeks to boot.

jb1000000 · **Joined:** Sat Nov 13 2010 **Posts:** 86

grob wrote:

MC will probably successfully appeal.

I sincerely doubt it - if Milijas' red card against Arsenal wasn't rescinded (when his was one footed) I can't see an appeal working for Kompany.

Personally as long as your feet are on the ground and you're not being reckless I think it's a crying shame that any player gets sent off for a clean tackle (like they both were) but thems the rules unfortunately and the FA are showing no signs of relaxing them.

Droughton · **Joined:** Sat Jul 11 2009 **Posts:** 794

From4corners wrote:

Laws of the game my friends. Two legged tackle, studs up = red (how stupid it is indeed as Kompany does indeed play the ball)

The law is:

Excessive force = Red

Wreckless = Yellow

IMO it was wreckless at worst. The ball was there to be won, he went for the ball and it was an honest challenge. Nani didn't even complain...

Will be appealed and they will surely win

organdonor47 · **Posted:** 08 Jan 2012, 17:35

Droughton wrote:

From4corners wrote:

Laws of the game my friends. Two legged tackle, studs up = red (how stupid it is indeed as Kompany does indeed play the ball)

The law is:

Excessive force = Red

Wreckless = Yellow

IMO it was wreckless at worst. The ball was there to be won, he went for the ball and it was an honest challenge. Nani didn't even complain...

Will be appealed and they will surely win

so is there a rule explicitly outlawing a two-footed tackle? excuse my ignorance, i genuinely have no idea of the exact criteria for a red card in instances like these! i always thought the distinction is whether excessive force was used, and not that it was just two-footed, although i'm sure i'll be corrected ( :oops:

in advance)

reds363 · **Posted:** 08 Jan 2012, 17:38

Droughton wrote:

Will be appealed and they will surely win

Unlikely because flying off the ground feet first towards your opponent is funnily enough deemed "excessive force"

Ironfist · **Posted:** 08 Jan 2012, 17:41

organdonor47 wrote:

Droughton wrote:

From4corners wrote:

Laws of the game my friends. Two legged tackle, studs up = red (how stupid it is indeed as Kompany does indeed play the ball)

The law is:
Excessive force = Red
Wreckless = Yellow
IMO it was wreckless at worst. The ball was there to be won, he went for the ball and it was an honest challenge. Nani didn't even complain...
Will be appealed and they will surely win

so is there a rule explicitly outlawing a two-footed tackle? excuse my ignorance, i genuinely have no idea of the exact criteria for a red card in instances like these! i always thought the distinction is whether excessive force was used, and not that it was just two-footed, although i'm sure i'll be corrected ( :oops:

in advance)

From4corners is correct. There's a special rule for a two-legged donkey, err I mean tackle, which is explicitly prohibited.
MCI will not appeal as they stand zero chance of succeeding...
As for FF... the masses will panic, sell him like crazy, and he'll drop 0.2-0.3m by the time he's back. After today's game... Kolarov might be a decent temporary option...

GoodfellaLFC · **Joined:** Mon Jul 13 2009 **Posts:** 720

No way was it a red, tackling with that two feet isn't against the rules, it's only if a tackle is dangerous and Kompany's tackle was not dangerous at all. The fact that Nani who was on the receiving end didn't even complain says a lot, it won't get rescinded though, no in light of Mjilias' rejected appeal for another perfectly good tackle.

reds363 · **Posted:** 08 Jan 2012, 17:46

organdonor47 wrote:

so is there a rule explicitly outlawing a two-footed tackle? excuse my ignorance, i genuinely have no idea of the exact criteria for a red card in instances like these! i always thought the distinction is whether excessive force was used, and not that it was just two-footed, although i'm sure i'll be corrected ( :oops:

in advance)

From the rulebook:

Quote:

Serious foul play
A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality
against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play.

A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as
serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the
front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force
and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

Advantage should not be applied in situations involving serious foul play unless
there is a clear subsequent opportunity to score a goal. The referee must send
off the player guilty of serious foul play when the ball is next out of play.

A player who is guilty of serious foul play should be sent off and play is
restarted with a direct free kick from the position where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of free kick) or a penalty kick (if the offence occurred
inside the offender’s penalty area).

So no specific mention that every two-footed tackle is a red card, but that's just the widely accepted interpretation these days. Because generally, if you fly towards an opponent with both feet in the air, you are not in control of your motion and are "endangering the safety of an opponent".

Droughton · **Joined:** Sat Jul 11 2009 **Posts:** 794

^ My point exactly, I dont agree with the Milijas red card BUT Milijas' tackle COULD have caused an injury... Kompanys (IMO) could not.

There was no excessive force, he was not moving at speed, nor did he go anywhere near Nani's legs. He made contact with the ball and no contact with Nani (who didn't even complain). I'm sure if there was contact Nani wouldn't of hesitated to throw himself on the floor....

Nani was not even in control of the ball at the time of the tackle he was a GOOD COUPLE OF FEET behind it due to his abysmal touch. Kompanys tackle was more of an interception

I've not even got Kompany in my team, I just think the red card was a joke :lol:

Tacalabala · **Joined:** Sun Sep 07 2008 **Posts:** 5379

reds363 wrote:

Liverpool (Carling Cup 1st leg)
Wigan (GW21)
Spurs (GW22)
Liverpool (Carling Cup 2nd leg)

back for GW23

And that is why I'll be keeping him. I have good quality coverage, so I'm confident of coping.

organdonor47 · **Posted:** 08 Jan 2012, 18:28

reds363 wrote:

So no specific mention that every two-footed tackle is a red card, but that's just the widely accepted interpretation these days. Because generally, if you fly towards an opponent with both feet in the air, you are not in control of your motion and are "endangering the safety of an opponent".

thanks mate. so i guess all city can appeal on is whether or not it endangered nani's safety, which is obviously subjective so i'd expect the FA to back the ref; therefore my application for "worst transfer of the season award" stands.

discodoc · **Joined:** Tue Aug 17 2010 **Posts:** 227

It obviously wasn't a red, but that doesn't mean they will rescind it.

On the plus side I can't see how Foy isn't finally dropped from the premier league rotation; Tottenham vs. Stoke, Chelsea vs. Wigan, and now this? He is just truly awful.

thebillfella · **Posted:** 08 Jan 2012, 19:27

Droughton wrote:

^ My point exactly, I dont agree with the Milijas red card BUT Milijas' tackle COULD have caused an injury... Kompanys (IMO) could not.

There was no excessive force, he was not moving at speed, nor did he go anywhere near Nani's legs. He made contact with the ball and no contact with Nani (who didn't even complain). I'm sure if there was contact Nani wouldn't of hesitated to throw himself on the floor....

Nani was not even in control of the ball at the time of the tackle he was a GOOD COUPLE OF FEET behind it due to his abysmal touch. Kompanys tackle was more of an interception

I've not even got Kompany in my team, I just think the red card was a joke :lol:

Of course kompanys challenge could cause injury. The only reason it didnt was because Nani jumped out of the way. If his foot was planted at the moment of impact then he breaks his leg.

Your not in control when you fly two footed off the ground into a challenge and that's why the auto red rule came in.

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