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 Post subject: Ken Livingstone
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2012, 22:48 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16955851

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Seems like everyone has come in for a good, erm, roasting.

He may well be right - but it's sure to cause a stir. Wonder what some of the left wing papers would make if a top Tory said the Labour party was full of gays ?


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 Post subject: Re: Ken Livingstone
PostPosted: 08 Feb 2012, 22:53 
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Given the work ken has done, especially in the 1980s, in campaigning for gay rights this is a ridiculous non-story


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 Post subject: Re: Ken Livingstone
PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012, 01:49 
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There's a certain amount of "faux outrage" over this, but Ken and his politically correct cohorts have spent 30 years accusing people of supposed racist and sexist remarks when they have simply been careless with words, and when no offence has been intended. So now he know how it feels. The biter bit.

Even so, I can't help wondering why someone who supports, or is even neutral about, gay people would use the phrase "riddled with it". Maybe there's a difference between his political and his personal views.


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 Post subject: Re: Ken Livingstone
PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012, 08:01 
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Very similar to the Ron Atkinson saga. Past actions can't cancel out deeply held feelings.


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 Post subject: Re: Ken Livingstone
PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012, 11:05 
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Even so, I can't help wondering why someone who supports, or is even neutral about, gay people would use the phrase "riddled with it". Maybe there's a difference between his political and his personal views.
I can't see there being enough value in supporting gay rights against the grain; there aren't enough of them to influence elections. I think it's just another example of a misjudged word, ignoring the pejorative implications, as the point he made seems valid enough.


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 Post subject: Re: Ken Livingstone
PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012, 11:11 
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Billy Whiz wrote:
Even so, I can't help wondering why someone who supports, or is even neutral about, gay people would use the phrase "riddled with it". Maybe there's a difference between his political and his personal views.
I can't see there being enough value in supporting gay rights against the grain; there aren't enough of them to influence elections. I think it's just another example of a misjudged word, ignoring the pejorative implications, as the point he made seems valid enough.


Hypothetical suggestion - he supported gay rights because he believed it was the "right on" thing to do. He probably even believed it was the right thing to do but that latent low level homophobia is still there (as it probably is in most heterosexual men, especially of his generation).


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 Post subject: Re: Ken Livingstone
PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012, 12:03 
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I think he may have used the word "riddled" in an ironic manner :roll:

That is the very guff that the homophobe would say - or Daily Mail sympathiser eh Murf

My wife used to work with Ken and while he is an annoying and abrasive individual he is wholly genuine about his love of London and its diveristy (Tories aside obvioulsy)


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 Post subject: Re: Ken Livingstone
PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012, 12:07 
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I think he may have used the word "riddled" in an ironic manner :roll:


Great excuse :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Ken Livingstone
PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012, 12:10 
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Murf, you dont like Ken, you are a Daily Mail provincial Tory

There is no story here, no matter how you try


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 Post subject: Re: Ken Livingstone
PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012, 12:13 
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Of course there is.

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My wife used to work with Ken and while he is an annoying and abrasive individual he is wholly genuine about his love of London and its diveristy (Tories aside obvioulsy)


Again, whopping great similarities to everyone saying Ron Atkinson was great with his black players but his latent low level racism eventually came out on tape - and he wasn't being ironic either.


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 Post subject: Re: Ken Livingstone
PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012, 12:15 
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This isnt The Crucible

(look it up :wink: )


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 Post subject: Re: Ken Livingstone
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:roll:

Don't patronise me, I know it is in Sheffield.


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 Post subject: Re: Ken Livingstone
PostPosted: 09 Feb 2012, 12:18 
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Ken's rubbish too, even Steve Davies can beat him these days :wink:


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