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 Post subject: Copy of my email just sent to the SUN'S Andy Totham
PostPosted: 26 Jan 2012, 10:36 
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Good Morning

I've been a Sun reader for many years now and often look at your column, in particular on the Weekend Pull-out.

It's fair to say you advise a multitude of tips and the law of averages will provide you and any of your followers ( not me i might add) the occasional winner or win acca.

However, you being a so called "Journalist Tipster", one might expect on occasions you might go a bit indepth as to why your advice is worth following on certain tips.


Last week you bigged up Man City to beat Liverpool at a shade over evens - if one shopped around- as a blinding bet.


WHY??

On the 3rd January Man City recorded a more than flattering 3-0 home win against Liverpool with a full strength team.
Even though Liverpool had more shots on target (10-8), more shots off target (8-2), and even more corners (6-5)

Add to that the fact this was a FULL-STRENGTH City featuring Kompany, the Toure brothers, and Silva.
Liverpool had the luxury of bringing on a rusty Gerrard in the second half after being out for months. I recall the game clearly, had Liverpool taken their chances they would comfortably have beaten City. They didn't and that's a fact.

We now , eight days on, have the first leg of the Carling Cup semi, again at City but this time Man City are depleted of the Toure brothers, Kompany through suspension, and Silva through injury, along with doubts to the fitness of Dzeko and Ballotelli. Liverpool have a certain Steven Gerrard back in their ranks starting on this occasion and were in my opinion a give away 3/1.. How armed with these facts can you be advising your readers City were a good bet at 11/10???

STAGGERED!


Hers's a snippet of advice i offered the day before on a football forum with sound reasoning.

sleuth Post subject: Man City v Liverpool Carling CupPosted: 10 Jan 2012, 17:47


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Posts: 2178 I know what game i watched last week in the league and i thought Liveprool had they taken their chances were worthy winners.

As it was they lost 3-0 even though they had more shots on and off target and corners than City.

Tomorrow night i expect Gerrard to start- big difference in my opinion and not to mention the fact

Toure brothers are absent as is Kompany- and at present Silva, Dzeko and Ballotelli are doubtful.

Liverpool are 3-1 most firms to win in 90 mins- i've already placed my bet.




So we move on another couple of weeks for the return leg at Anfield.

Incase you needed reminding the Carling Cup is also a competition that has seen Liverpool FC feature in the most finals 10 ( now 11) and won the most times 7 ( soon to be 8 imo).


Here are some more stats to digest ( some were even in yesterdays Sun.... if YOU looked around) before your column came out yesterday morning with your HEADLINE tip of the day

9-5 CITY A KENNY BET. .....whoops..

Liverpool had never lost in 38 yes 38 two legged ties when they have returned to Anfield with a lead.

City had not managed two goals away from home since a 3-2 success at QPR back in November.

Liverpool are UNBEATEN AT HOME this season

Man City are without a win at Anfield for 10 games drawing 4 and losing 6.

Liverpool also beat Man City in their only other League Cup semi final meeting back in 1981.


If i was a journalist, armed with all of this knowledge i cannot fathom how you can come out with this piece on page 53 of Yesterday Sun.


9-5 City a Kenny Bet.

King Kenny looked and sounded more like King Benny after Liverpoo's abject flop against Bolton.
But Dalglish and hsi Liverpool charlies get the chance for early red-emption(chuckle) tonight against Man City.

One- up from the first leg of the Carling Cup semi-final the Kop flops are 4-9 at Betvictor to get to Wembley, with City 15/8 at Boylesports. In 90 minutes the reds are 7-4 at Hills, with Roberto Mancinis men 9-5 and 9/4 the draw.

That 9-5 for a City win might just appeal. Andy Carroll and his halfwits were clueless against Bolton and have been dire at Anfield many times this season already.

You go on to suggest Nasri is a great bet to open the scoring at 11/1 with PP and offer that City at 33/1 are a tempting bet to get to the final on penalties. All in all several losing bets- yet again.


To sum up your DIAMOND of the DAY bet was

City to win in 90 mins at 9/5 with Hills as the Kop boys struggle at home.

That last part is interesting - struggle at home... LIVERPOOL AS MENTIONED ARE UNBEATEN AT HOME THIS SEASON.

LiVERPOOL didnd't need to win last nights game to get through to the final

Liverpool according to your paper and any neutral have awarded the Man Of The Match to the opposition keeper in 5 of 7 home draws.

Blackburn- Bunn
Man City- Hart
Swansea- Vorm
Norwich- Ruddy
Man United- De Gea


Sso how on earth, in your profession can you make the same mistake twice in offering City as your "Stand Out Bet" of the day twice in two weeks armed with so much info to the contrary...

I wont be looking to back your weekend acca again or any other of your 199 pieces of advice but i'm sure the law of averages will mean you snare one correct prediction.

Your only saving grace- although it's not saying alot, is your still not as bad a tipster as that scouse

Derek McGovern
Now you would be scraping the barrell if you ever fathom those depths.



I look forward to your response even if it is only two words, better still wouldn't it be nice if you printed this or showed it to your editor.


Yours sincerely and i do mean that

M.Lawlor



In the unlikelhhod of getting a reply i'll post it.

The last time i had a moan at a Sun journalist it was with a certain Harry Pratt and i verbally gave him both barrells for missing several booking s in the QPR v Liverpool match from yesteryear.

His argument was i was there you wasnt how the eff would i know- my response- i watched it live on Sky you Pratt.

Click -phone hang up.


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Liverpool were lucky and I'll be joining the rest of England in becoming Welsh on final day :wink:


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TheTon wrote:
Liverpool were lucky and I'll be joining the rest of England in becoming Welsh on final day :wink:



Which leg were liverpool lucky in Ming??

I'e just read several different newspaper accounts and they were all of Joe Hart's opinion that Liverpool deserved it- and move on.


City are the best team in the league imo but missing Kompany, Toure and Silva in the first leg was a massive loss.


And im fully aware most of the country will be bluebirds next month- difference in Liverpools approach is Liverpool wont assume they just have to turn up to beat a team in blue... :wink:


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sleuth wrote:
TheTon wrote:
Liverpool were lucky and I'll be joining the rest of England in becoming Welsh on final day :wink:



Which leg were liverpool lucky in Ming??

I'e just read several different newspaper accounts and they were all of Joe Hart's opinion that Liverpool deserved it- and move on.


City are the best team in the league imo but missing Kompany, Toure and Silva in the first leg was a massive loss.


And im fully aware most of the country will be bluebirds next month- difference in Liverpools approach is Liverpool wont assume they just have to turn up to beat a team in blue... :wink:


I thought Liverpool fully deserved the draw (win), luck not really a significant factor.
They worked hard, rarely stopped grafting. Actually, I was hoping Arshavin watched it, if so he would do well to take note how much effort Bellamy put in.
Not everyone's favourite player, but he certainly put a shift in.


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sleuth wrote:
TheTon wrote:
Liverpool were lucky and I'll be joining the rest of England in becoming Welsh on final day :wink:



Which leg were liverpool lucky in Ming??

I'e just read several different newspaper accounts and they were all of Joe Hart's opinion that Liverpool deserved it- and move on.


City are the best team in the league imo but missing Kompany, Toure and Silva in the first leg was a massive loss.


And im fully aware most of the country will be bluebirds next month- difference in Liverpools approach is Liverpool wont assume they just have to turn up to beat a team in blue... :wink:


I thought Liverpool fully deserved the draw (win), luck not really a significant factor.
They worked hard, rarely stopped grafting. Actually, I was hoping Arshavin watched it, if so he would do well to take note how much effort Bellamy put in.
Not everyone's favourite player, but he certainly put a shift in.



Bellamy actually put a shift in against Bolton ( the only one that did) and without him last night i doubt Liverpool would of won.

It also shows on Sun ratings at least he is the second highest points scorer in thsi window as he trys to make up for Suarez's absence.


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Sums you up Sleuth.


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Dot: the bet was value

Just because a bet does not come in does not make it a poor bet


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Groomyd wrote:
Dot: the bet was value

Just because a bet does not come in does not make it a poor bet



Perhaps you ought to read the reasons why it was NOT VALUE again as i CLEARLY pointed out.

Just because YOU believe a bet is value does not make it value.. Oh to live in your world...


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 Post subject: Re: Copy of my email just sent to the SUN'S Andy Totham
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i had a reply from Andy Totham from the Sun.



Totham, Andy Totham, Andyandy.totham@the-sun.co.uk

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From: Totham, Andy (andy.totham@the-sun.co.uk)
Sent: 26 January 2012 17:02:56
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Thanks for your thoughts and interest. Sorry you wont be bothering to read the tips any more. Surely, if all you say is true, you should be rich betting on everything I DON’T tip….



If football betting was an exact science you and I would probably be sinking cocktails on some luxury sun-kissed island. It’s not. Liverpool beating City in 1981 has no significance to nowadays surely!!



I still believe City would have won at Anfield but for Phil Dowd’s TWO penalty shockers and 9-5 was a good price. But sadly I have to take it on the chin and feed the kids some cupboard to eat cos I’ve done my nuts.



When we win the research we have done looks nailed-on. When we lose it doesn’t. Keep studying the stats though and enjoy your betting and football.



Good luck, Cheers


Thing is the point and whole crux of my criticism's was exactly that.

Totham hadn't done any research or give reason as to why City were value at 11/10 and then 9/5..
I have given reasons why Liverpool were value at 3/1 in the first leg and why a city victory was the unlikliest of the 3 scenarios at Anfield.


Hardly eff value

As is say is he Groomyd in disguise?

Jesus i've also had confirmation of my WDT win won alst Saturday.

Only found it in my Junk-Box.
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