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 Post subject: Brilliant Defence Rotation
PostPosted: 11 Jan 2012, 08:59 
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I’ve used iamsuarez’s and ISACKI brilliant defence rotation checker (link at bottom) to find the best defensive rotation if you have 1 expensive defender and 4 rotating cheapies. To ensure CS actually happens, They have considered cheap sides with defences good enough to deliver a CS at home (NEW, SWA, SUN, FUL, STO)
which leaves out the unreliable likes of WBA, WOL, QPR, WIG and so on. The best rotations were NEW-SUN (0 games away from home), NEW-SWA (1 game away from home), FUL-SWA and FUL-STO (both 2 games away from home).

Since the strategy they apply for 4 defenders they had to test which 2 pairs rotated best with each other.
The final answer was that the best 2 pairs together are:
NEW-SUN
FUL-SWA


Your bargain options here include, in order of nailed-on-ness:
NEW: Williamson (4.2) = Simpson (4.4), Santon (4.2)
SUN: Brown (4.5) = Bardsley (4.8), Kilgallon (4.0)
FUL: Senderos (4.3), Kelly (3.9)
SWA: Caulker (4.0) = Naylor (4.4) = Rangel (4.4)


Here’s the breakdown of the fixtures for all 4 teams, divided into two periods: GW21-30 and GW30-38. Recommended fixtures are bracketed []. In the whole 18 GWs, there are only 2 GWs with less than 2 home games, and you will never have to play a team in the current top 5. The toughest team you’ll have to face is Liverpool, but you’ll be at home each time. You can play Blackburn 4 times, QPR 4 times, Wolves 4 times,Bolton 3 times and Villa 3 times.


GW21-30
NEW: [QPR] ful……[bla]..[AVL]…tot…[WOL] [SUN] ars…[NOR] [wba]
FUL..: [bla] [NEW] [WBA] mci…[STO] [qpr]..[WOL] [avl] [SWA] mun
SWA.: ARS..sun……CHE..[wba] [NOR] sto….[wig]…MCI…ful…..[EVE]
SUN.: che..[SWA]..[NOR] sto…..ARS..[wba]..new…[LIV] [bla]….[QPR]


GW31-38
NEW: [LIV]…..swa…[BOL] che….[STO]..ARS…MCI [eve]
FUL..: [NOR] [bol]….CHE…liv……[WIG] eve…[SUN] tot
SWA..: tot…..[NEW] [qpr] [BLA]..[bol]..[WOL] mun [LIV]
SUN..: mci…..TOT….eve…[WOL] [avl]..[wig]…[ful] MUN


PS: Don’t forget if you get Evans you can have a cheapie who starts every match lowering the requirement to 1 defender from 3 of these teams – easy.


You probably want to take out Swansea in that case. PPS: Also, this rotation obviously applies to midfielders and strikers–particularly interesting in the case of NEW/SUN.

Rotation checker link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... 8QL#gid=11


This is Credited to ISACKI : http://fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2012/ ... nt-2533567


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 Post subject: Re: Brilliant Defence Rotation
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Impressive stuff Abishek...


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Brilliant post 8-)


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 Post subject: Re: Brilliant Defence Rotation
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Fantastic stuff.

Does anyone have any sort of strength-of-schedule information though. As in how difficult are those home games? Just eyeballing the fixtures I'd probably be looking to Swansea/Newcastle/Stoke/Fulham anyway. I have Vorm/Krul already and will probably stay that way rather than risking Sorensen/Santon or the likes as that's a bit more dodgy as Krul is nailed-on where as I'd have a risky defender and keeper.


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Arseshavin is correct in pointing out that Stoke has a better schedule than Sunderland.
I would incorporate that into this design chosing Shotton (for example) over Brown.


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I get the idea but its flawed for 2 reasons. Firstly, barring Swansea, most of the other teams you have mentioned havent had many home clean sheets. Newcastle, stoke and fulham have had 4 from 10 home games and sunderland 3 from 10. So the first 3 have a 40% chance of a clean sheet in a home fixture and sunderland 30%.

secondly, the strategy of having a load of cheap defenders would only be necessary if there was a need to fork out a lot of money on your mids and forwards. However this isnt necessary. Barring vp, the other highest points scorers in the game arent that expensive, i.e silva, bale, ba etc. Gone are the days when we were all trying to crowbar in to our teams the likes of lampard, gerrard, ronaldo, torres etc. These players were pretty much must haves which meant sacrifices had to be made elsewhere. However not the case anymore. So its easy enough to get the key players without having to scrimp on defenders.


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Looks vaguely familiar to something I read on the train earlier 8-)

http://fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2012/ ... nt-2533567


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Abhishekrocked wrote:
and ISACKI
That's not how we're taught to attribute. :lol:


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Looks vaguely familiar to something I read on the train earlier 8-)

http://fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2012/ ... nt-2533567


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LOL! Abhishekbusted :D


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Colbert wrote:
Looks vaguely familiar to something I read on the train earlier 8-)

http://fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2012/ ... nt-2533567

Just coincidence, surely?


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LOL! Abhishekbusted :D

And now, deservedly, Abisheckled.


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Colbert wrote:
Looks vaguely familiar to something I read on the train earlier 8-)

http://fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2012/ ... nt-2533567



I have given Credit to him on starting line only. Or someone should be credited with a Bold letters ? If that is the case i will do it. And by the way i have not taken credit myself there by displaying the 2 names.


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LOL! Abhishekbusted :D


I have credited them. :D

Just that i want to give the infos in the FISO forum. Instead of posting the link i have displayed there names to give them the credit, what;s wrong in that.


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Abhishekrocked wrote:
I’ve used iamsuarez’s and ISACKI brilliant defence rotation checker (link at bottom) to find the best defensive rotation if you have 1 expensive defender and 4 rotating cheapies. To ensure CS actually happens, I’ve considered cheap sides with defences good enough to deliver a CS at home (NEW, SWA, SUN, FUL, STO)
which leaves out the unreliable likes of WBA, WOL, QPR, WIG and so on. The best rotations were NEW-SUN (0 games away from home), NEW-SWA (1 game away from home), FUL-SWA and FUL-STO (both 2 games away from home).

Since we need 4 defenders I then had to test which 2 pairs rotated best with each other.


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Abhishekrocked wrote:
I’ve used iamsuarez’s and ISACKI brilliant defence rotation checker (link at bottom) to find the best defensive rotation if you have 1 expensive defender and 4 rotating cheapies. To ensure CS actually happens, I’ve considered cheap sides with defences good enough to deliver a CS at home (NEW, SWA, SUN, FUL, STO)
which leaves out the unreliable likes of WBA, WOL, QPR, WIG and so on. The best rotations were NEW-SUN (0 games away from home), NEW-SWA (1 game away from home), FUL-SWA and FUL-STO (both 2 games away from home).

Since we need 4 defenders I then had to test which 2 pairs rotated best with each other.


Updated. :) Thanks for the correction.


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This is news to me.... does this mean I don't need to have 5 expensive defenders? :o


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This is news to me.... does this mean I don't need to have 5 expensive defenders? :o


Why did you need 5 expensive defenders ? Just keeping fingers crossed for getting a cleanie or goals. 3 defenders are enough. :D


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Abhishekrocked wrote:
Droughton wrote:
This is news to me.... does this mean I don't need to have 5 expensive defenders? :o


Why did you need 5 expensive defenders ? Just keeping fingers crossed for getting a cleanie or goals. 3 defenders are enough. :D


As well as learning how to properly credit your sources, you should maybe check the batteries in your on-line irony detector.


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@Abishek - you have plagerised so many times before and every single time, so many here including myself gave you the benefit of the doubt, thinking 'he can't be doing it again' or 'the scorn must have influenced him to produce his own goods', but you're like some glutton for punishment, seeking more abuse... possibly before one of the Mods bans you from posting here. I worte at the top in reply to your original post "Impressive stuff Abishek..." believing you have created something original. Well, don't I feel like an idiot.
Screvv you matey, I can get that stuff from the other site(s) myself and you're getting into the 'Ignore posts' list.
Pathetic.

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@Abishek - you have plagerised so many times before and every single time, so many here including myself gave you the benefit of the doubt, thinking 'he can't be doing it again' or 'the scorn must have influenced him to produce his own goods', but you're like some glutton for punishment, seeking more abuse... possibly before one of the Mods bans you from posting here. I worte at the top in reply to your original post "Impressive stuff Abishek..." believing you have created something original. Well, don't I feel like an idiot.
Screvv you matey, I can get that stuff from the other site(s) myself and you're getting into the 'Ignore posts' list.
Pathetic.

PS Pandas, Reprobates and Kangals should consider your membership in their 5AS team very carefully... regardless of your game performance!


:lol:

This is comedy gold.


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I get the idea but its flawed for 2 reasons. Firstly, barring Swansea, most of the other teams you have mentioned havent had many home clean sheets. Newcastle, stoke and fulham have had 4 from 10 home games and sunderland 3 from 10. So the first 3 have a 40% chance of a clean sheet in a home fixture and sunderland 30%.

secondly, the strategy of having a load of cheap defenders would only be necessary if there was a need to fork out a lot of money on your mids and forwards. However this isnt necessary. Barring vp, the other highest points scorers in the game arent that expensive, i.e silva, bale, ba etc. Gone are the days when we were all trying to crowbar in to our teams the likes of lampard, gerrard, ronaldo, torres etc. These players were pretty much must haves which meant sacrifices had to be made elsewhere. However not the case anymore. So its easy enough to get the key players without having to scrimp on defenders.



This is exactly what I said to him on that site, rotating cheap defenders from teams that are not defensively sound is pointless, the big teams will tighten up now, that's what they do.


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Ironfist wrote:
@Abishek - you have plagerised so many times before and every single time, so many here including myself gave you the benefit of the doubt, thinking 'he can't be doing it again' or 'the scorn must have influenced him to produce his own goods', but you're like some glutton for punishment, seeking more abuse... possibly before one of the Mods bans you from posting here. I worte at the top in reply to your original post "Impressive stuff Abishek..." believing you have created something original. Well, don't I feel like an idiot.
Screvv you matey, I can get that stuff from the other site(s) myself and you're getting into the 'Ignore posts' list.
Pathetic.

PS Pandas, Reprobates and Kangals should consider your membership in their 5AS team very carefully... regardless of your game performance!




Have you really checked the post i made there ?
I have not taken the credit there i have displayed the names iamsuraez and ISACKI on very first line. That indicates that the credit goes to them.

Then why are this issues to be held, i really don't understand it.

I don't see any issues there as i have displayed there names who has taken an effort in this.


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gooberman wrote:
I get the idea but its flawed for 2 reasons. Firstly, barring Swansea, most of the other teams you have mentioned havent had many home clean sheets. Newcastle, stoke and fulham have had 4 from 10 home games and sunderland 3 from 10. So the first 3 have a 40% chance of a clean sheet in a home fixture and sunderland 30%.

secondly, the strategy of having a load of cheap defenders would only be necessary if there was a need to fork out a lot of money on your mids and forwards. However this isnt necessary. Barring vp, the other highest points scorers in the game arent that expensive, i.e silva, bale, ba etc. Gone are the days when we were all trying to crowbar in to our teams the likes of lampard, gerrard, ronaldo, torres etc. These players were pretty much must haves which meant sacrifices had to be made elsewhere. However not the case anymore. So its easy enough to get the key players without having to scrimp on defenders.


The first part is technically true, but most teams have struggled for clean sheets so far this season (home and away). While these home stats dont look great I suspect the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, City, Spurs, have not done brilliant either - especially when you have to pay a premium for their players.

The second part I agree with. This season there is no need to have a loaded front line or midfield but at the same time I would rather have my money up there. Interesting point though


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Abhishekrocked wrote:
Have you really checked the post i made there ?
I have not taken the credit there i have displayed the names iamsuraez and ISACKI on very first line. That indicates that the credit goes to them.
sorry but this is not correct. you copy/pasted a post verbatim from FFS, which was written in the first person, and therefore implies that these were your conclusions. You clumsily jammed the authors name into the post, but rather than saying these were in fact his findings, it just reads like it was based on his spreadsheet and that you've done the legwork. Why not just accept it, you've been busted. we all plagiarise sometimes, the trick is to not make it so easy to spot :)


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As well as learning how to properly credit your sources, you should maybe check the batteries in your on-line irony detector.


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Wasn't there a thread when the fixtures were announced during the summer which listed pairs of teams and the number of consecutive home games you can have by rotating keepers (& defenders). So Newcastle/Sunderland means you can have a home keeper every week, as does Arsenal/Spurs, Chelsea/Fulham, Man C/Man U, Liverpool/Everton and so on.

Just spent 10 minutes looking & couldn't find it, but I know it's there somewhere.


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Wasn't there a thread when the fixtures were announced during the summer which listed pairs of teams and the number of consecutive home games you can have by rotating keepers (& defenders). So Newcastle/Sunderland means you can have a home keeper every week, as does Arsenal/Spurs, Chelsea/Fulham, Man C/Man U, Liverpool/Everton and so on.

Just spent 10 minutes looking & couldn't find it, but I know it's there somewhere.


Something like this?
http://www.fiso.co.uk/forum/keeper-combo-t85937.html


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I too opened and read this with genuine intrigue. Turns out to be truly pathetic and embarrassing. Even on a mere forum where we don't know each other in real life. Shame.


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I too opened and read this with genuine intrigue. Turns out to be truly pathetic and embarrassing. Even on a mere forum where we don't know each other in real life. Shame.



Why this is an Issue yet? i really i don't understand. I have not taken the credit to myself it has been given to the ISACKI. How much time i have to repeat this myself ?


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