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That's strange!!
It sounds like the theory I've always had
Here it is

The ultimate woman is beautiful, sexy and cool but its unheard of, I challenge anyone to name a woman that is all 3, a combination of 2 happens and obviously 1 trait is common

Some examples

Beautiful and sexy
Megan fox
Angelina Jolie

Cool and sexy
Kat von dee

Cool
Gwen steffani

The cool category is the hardest to get, originality is key, unusal yet attractive style, wacky hair, tattoos etc, stuff that makes them stand out from the crowd, usually run of the mill hot girls are never cool, usually sexy or beautiful or both

Can anyone name an all 3er?! And I mean 100% all 3 not 2 and a half

Vic Pendleton and Gina Gershon

Vic scores .75
Gina scores 1.75

Try again

Kylie (although I understand she is like Marmite due to idiotic fools with no taste)

Are you fiso stalking me murf?

Kylie is a good call, she made it into my top 5 after seeing the agent provocateur advert but I'm afraid she scores 2, she isn't cool

Cameron Diaz

Megan Fox and Angelina Jolie both have multiple tattoos. I'm not saying that in its own makes them 'cool' (its one of your criteria, not mine), but they have also both known to be unconventional and original in their attitudes and behaviour, and I think both could easily be described as cool.

I think the problem with your definition is that to be 'cool' a girl has to be slightly weird looking and therefore by definition she can't be considered classically 'beautiful'!

Tattoos are decidedly uncool IMO. Gwen Stefani may be a bit weird but that doesn't make her cool either. A general rule is that anybody trying to be cool generally isn't. Kylie is effortlessly cool in the way she is but then again somebody's else's definition of "cool" may be nearer my definition of "trendy" which just ain't the same thing.

PS Can anybody be truly beautiful and truly pretty?? - are they not almost mutually exclusive? Megan fox is beautiful but not pretty. Baby Spice and Dawn French are pretty but not beautiful. Even Kylie is only a bit of both but not all of both. Sexy woman can be neither beautiful or pretty but are often one. Just as pretty or beautiful women aren't always sexy (Tweedycole and French to different degrees).

Diaz is a 1.75, no way near cool

I understand my criteria is specific to my personal taste but I can't see how Jolie or Fox can be considered uber cool like Kat Von Dee is, uber cool is the key, they could be considered slightly cool, Victoria is as beautiful as Megan Fox is cool, Amy Winehouse is cooler than Megan Fox, is she hotter? Of course not, the ultimate woman is all 3, if the ultimate woman can manage being beautiful and sexy while pulling off a freak like coolness then she is worthy of the ultimate label, put Natalie Imbruglias face onto Kat Von Dee and we have the ultimate woman, in my eyes albeit

Liv Boeree. Millionaire Poker winner, ex model, stands out from the crowd, hot as a Vindaloo with napalm sauce.



Other than the fact that she has been infected by Brand, Katy Perry must come close. Probably fits your definition of cool, pretty face and a smoking hot body.



And Cheryl Cole not sexy?



Wachootalkinaboutwillis

Alesha Dixon ? She's always been a pretty cool bird in my experience. Fit too.

Vanessa Rousso ? Gorgeous poker player.


Agreed, for me Cheryl is effing amazing looking, defo a 'beautiful' bird.
Dont see how any red blooded male cannot agree. I know personal taste comes into it but some birds are too pretty, makes me think that other things come into it apart from looks ?

If coolness equates to being an annoying, attention seeking junky then yes, I guess she is...

The sort of coolness you seem to be talking about is overrated IMO. When talking about the perfect woman I'd replace 'cool' with someone who has a personality who you would get on with, or better still be best mates with.

All subjective, but Cameron Diaz would probably tick all 3 boxes for me.

Diaz always looks greasy to me. Like you dont want to touch her hair more than 2 hours after she last washed it and the next spot is about to form infront of your eyes.

Rousso is nice, but Boeree has the total package and the rock chick cool going on.

Always quite fancied Jennifer Tilly too.

So all poker playing birds are cool then ? Currently the best chance of scoring in all 3 ?

Dixon a 1, not beautiful and def not cool but she is hot

Liv is a 1, she's good looking but hardly beautiful, not original enough to be considered cool

Katy Perry is a great call, she gets a 2.25

I can't comment on tweedy as I'm biased against her as I'm not a fan of her personality so that clouds her attractiveness to me but I can see the attraction but she's nowhere near the same league as Jolie or Fox in looks or sexiness

Amy Winehouse has her own style, if that's considered trying too hard then that could be argued against any female and even more any female celebrity, they all try to look cool in their own styles so I think an original style is more worthy than a tweedy style, go out in London and you'll see a million tweedys style wise and looks wise, how many jolies or winehouses will you see?

I'm not saying I fancy winehouse I just appreciate her individuality more so than tweedys look

Katy Perry - not sexy for me - a laddette imo

Alesha - agree shes not 'beautiful' but she is a cool girl, at least she used to be.
Diaz - have to agree with Karrde, shes always had greasy skin.

I have always thought Helen Chamberlain is cool. And thats all.

Liv isnt beautiful?

Youre a hard man to please!!

Really dont get your definition of cool. Winehouse doesnt = cool to me by any definition, she is just an attention seeking werido imo.

Rousso 1 (sexy)
Tilly 0

The cool factor is looks wise so Chamberlain doesn't count, she doesn't look cool! Personality wise perfect! If we go into the criteria of personality surely a girl like her fits the bill, knows about football and is a laugh and has no hang ups/insecuruties, the model personality!

So my ultimate woman

Natalie imbrulias face kat von dees style
Kylies sex appeal
Helen chamberlains personality



Now that is the X factor!!

I would say Amy is sexier than LaCole.

I get the impression that LaCole would be constantly touching her make up, rather than be interested in what is going on.

If we are talking sexy, does that involve conversation?

I think a load of this thread needs breaking away, after my point about LaCole's innate blandness meaning that she picked "whacky" people in an attempt to make her look interesting.

I have just stumbled on why I do not consider a lot of beautiful women to not be sexy; they are bland!

I don't even see Amy Winehouse as a woman in that way. The topless beach snaps of her just seemed weird, repulsive and somehow 'wrong'....

Less unsexy, then

no takers for the Nastassjia Kinski pic then?

I reckon Chuck's too young to know who she is....

If that cardie was a tad fluffier you could imagine it was her bear suit from The Hotel New Hampshire

Hit for me.

Greta Saachi, for the older vote?

Holly Willoughby. Gorgeous and up for a laff too.

Willobooby! Thats on tonight actually, love that show.

Being beautiful and being very good looking are different karrde, liv is very good looking

Murf I'm not saying amy is attractive just using her as an example of someone with individuality more so than your generic tweedys, the Saturdays, wags etc

How old am I blah?

Ahhh - Susie the bear. Had forgotten about that. Didn't look quite as hot in that one as she did in Paris Texas.

Of the same era, how about Emannuelle Beart?

murf questioned your age

All pretty subjective stuff - a few of my favourites wouldn't tick all 3 boxes so easily. Ones I think that are in with a shout of all 3 personally:



Audrey Tautou



Mila Kunis



Gemma Arterton

And if you were talking cool alone, Mia Kirshner should be on every list