What with the new rules what does it mean for the various syndicates?

How many people will chase the 100k top mini league prize? Its all or nothing as second place is £5K....

With there being no monthly mini league prizes and only weekly what does that mean?

Also only one manager can win a weekly prize twice only

I like it....should make things interesting, what does it mean for deauville/sanjay - will they chase the big prize and nothing else, even if they use 4 accounts two wins each £16k and then the 100k???

IMO there is no point in entering more than 2 leagues in your name as if only 2 can win something whats the point in doing more?

Do you think your that good.

2 mini leagues and both will win 2 * 2k each. - Doubt it.

Gotta be optimistic

I like this move from The Sun. As has been shown last season and in the World Cup, yes the big entrants will have leagues up there in the overall, but it's also possible for the 2 or 3 league player to get into contention.

Not so in the monthlies where it is dominated by targeted entries.

It would seem a crazy risk if someone like Deauville wanted to fork out on 3,000+ teams. There is perhaps more temptation this season with the £100k, as opposed to £12k, but the fall back prizes, like you say, aren't there. The worry he'd also have is the emergence of a dozen or so challengers that will attack this with a reasonable set of teams that are experienced at getting their smaller entries shown on the leaderboard. If someone like Tam spent £10k on this, would that be a value bet 10/1 to win the mini leagues, paying £100k? Probably is reasonable value, but not many people have the kind of bucks to risk £10k on 10/1 shots.

For me, it favours the smaller multi's and syndicates who maybe shell out a few hundred quid, which they accept they could lose, as no guarantees - they're not blanket covering options. One of those will get to bring home a very nice prize (hopefully ).

Transfers will be key, don't think anyone can afford to chuck away a load of £50 a pop MLs at any time as a transfer or 3 could earn them the only 2k they'll get back from a weekly. The more teams the more transfers to work out and make.

Yeah I like it too Edmo......how much will people want to throw at the main prize...take deauville.....he could enter 300 mini leagues for £15k to chase the 100k but by only using 4 accounts at 2 wins of 2K per account = £16k to break even and then hope for the big un?

I suppose A massive entrant could still benefit, but I still think this gives the average punter a chance of a couple of weeklies

I personally wouldn't want to spend too much on the seasonal as at £50 a mini league I don't fancy them odds

cant wait to see all the made up names for this season

Account names or mini league names?

It'll be hard to see who is who in the leader boards when it'll be peoples misses/brothers/mates names up there

From the Europe-food for thought thread as it was kinda off topic:

It said 'during the course of the season' so open to interpretation.Then there's the weekly ml's to consider with regard the 30 player rule if you're allowed to align a seasonal ml how it affects its weekly chances. I'm sure the BBM should be able to pick up a fair few of the weeklies with the number of different names in their favour as obviously you can't make up a fictitious name as the cheque gets paid out in that name. I was glad they turned around their world cup progress anyhow. I took the first transfer window to get used to making transfers in every team as opposed to being able to pick the higher performing ones last year so didn't make any Spanish block transfers and made them all in the 2nd window as knew what time it took by then so was prepared.The winning leagues looked a point or 20 in front of my intended transfers anyhow as I had Forlan and Suarez written in Notepad but a weak midfield thanks to Elano and Silva that could only be tidied up at tw2.

its the league set ups dan..they will stand out a mile regardless of being managed by shirley valentine or betty boobjob

I've took it as 30 seperate players throughout the season.....within one mini league???

Of the zillions and zillions of images available to us online, why would anyone on a fantasy football forum choose a picture of John craven and his dog?

Big Blue Peter fan postie?

its above my pay grade darr all these rule changes ...

john craven

try again

Haha well spotted, i meant John NOAKES

If thats the case its a multi entrants dream with such a large prize to go for and it could be time for the BBM to Tam it up big style

cant see it myself, its just poor wording of the rules.

we will soon see though

Hopefully you're right......but that's how I read it!!!! They will need re-wording if it doesn't......as many others will read it this way too.....and they will be right both ways So The Sun will have to fork out

Very similar to interpretation of the world cup rules for mini leagues when they eventually agreed that I was right and they were wrong

I read it the same way as Darren, although I can see how it can be read the other way. I have e-mailed them asking for confirmation.

To be honest if we are reading it right it is hardly any different to the current rules. if you have 11 teams, all with the same 10 players and one play different that's 21 different players. Add the 9 players you will bring in during the transfer windows and you have your 30. .

Still hating the synchronised mini leagues, long for the days when the best Fiso teams won the super league money, now the ones which are good, but not really great, but are very well synchronised win it. If Darren is reading it right then every mini prize will go to organised mini leagues without fail, mostly Fiso, but there will be a strong Tam challenge under probably many many different names, also a very strong challenge from the Irish lads (and I don't just mean our friends O'Grady & Quigley, they are just the tip of the iceberg).

I know that The Sun are keen to promote the 'organised' mini league to the masses. Whereas before it was seen as the way to sort out your office or pub league (which I'm sure it will still be for many), they now seem happy with everyone having a crack at it in an organised way - hence the reason they have cranked up the prize money.

Some people are maybe thinking, if only I could enter a few teams in the big fiso league under the old rules and have a chance of a decent share of £100k - that is just unrealistic.

The £100k is there for the large syndicates or individuals to fight it out for, and many of them are going to lose a lot of money . I still maintain though, that if someone wanted to have a go on a smaller scale, with just 5 to 10 leagues, maybe in partnership, they'd still have a shout at this.

How much can the largest entry really justify throwing at this? Spend £10k to win £100k, but face losing out to a dozen or so smaller syndicates, which combined together are much greater than your £10k - it just isn't a great punt.

The big weighting towards a main 1st prize should be more appealing to smaller syndicates or individuals coming together to risk £50 or a few hundred quid each to try and land the big one, as their chances compared to the individual prize are still much improved. Everyone seems to be tipping huge outlays from various notorious large multi's, which may well happen, but remember Tam didn't land the mini league seasonal last season, he did land 2nd, 3rd and 4th or something - which might not be good enough for a payback this time around with no monthlies to go for, and maybe only a limited amount of chances on the weeklies. Plus last season, the smaller syndicates were less well organised, with a lot of leagues being cobbled together at the last minute via these boards. If a huge multi can't win under those conditions, then I'd say anyone fancying themselves to flood the mini leagues this time around could end up well down

Are you trying to tell us that your investment in this will be minimal Ed

I reckon he's trying to talk the big players out of investing so much into it

well if it works perhaps we should up our own investment then

Due to the prizes involved this season, I have a suspicion that Ed, Zimm and Zachary will be probably staking around 200 teams each

Bet im not far off the plans guys

Got me

The crux of my point is that as always you should only wager what you are comfortable to lose. Not necessarily what you can afford to lose, you might be loaded, but would you be ok to see £10k plus all the effort etc. go up in smoke, when a syndicate who wagered £1k between them had enough combo's to find the winning one.

For the World Cup game there were probably a dozen organised entries of a similar scale, ok some may have been a bit smaller, but generally 500 teams was the max, because that was all the competition warranted for likely returns, plus the coverage that would give you.

I just think it will be a similar story (or should be) for the main game, granted the entry level will be a bit higher. I just don't see the merits of someone scaling up massively for this, maybe I'm just airing my own worries out loud.

If someone does throw the £10k at this with 200 leagues, will make it a fascinating battle

You must have got today's planning email Stinky

Let's wait for the full rules and t's and c's first.

Are you asking yourself that question?

the only way it will be truly interesting will be if its 30 players at all times in a league. Just to see tactically how people approach it. No teams the same would be even more intriguing

Jules - it's a definite no from me. [that's no I wouldn't be ok to lose £10k, not no I'm not asking myself that question!]

Ronny - I agree, I'd love to see them just make a plain and simple rule that no mini league can contain identical teams at any point during the season. It is then more endeavour and craft needed to maintain 10 unique teams and more potential for c*ck ups . It also means all your entries are good for the individual comp, rather than having 10 the same. You'd have thought they'd taken note from the world cup, where it could have been embarassing to see 1st to 5th in the individual table all with identical teams from the same mini league

I also think the maintaining 30 different players at all times would create more interest value in setting up and maintaing your leagues, maybe a core of 8 or 9, then all sorts being rotated around those across the 10 teams.

as fonzie always said

correctamundo