FISO - Football Player Info

• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  18 May 2013, 10:10
  
  The Graham's defence thing is something of a myth
  
  No Graham players in the invincibles defence - Lauren, Toure, Campbell, Cole
  
  I agree he hasn't signed anyone quite as good as some of the players you have listed but not others
  
  It's a bit like when Joseph heller was critisised for not writing another novel better than Catch 22 - he said - "true, but nor has anyone else"
  
  Wilshere is as good as any of them and IMO The Ox will be a top class player too - I like Giroud a lot and if we do add a couple of class players to the side we won't be far away
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• Re: The 4th Annual Liverpool Seasonal Blog
  16 May 2013, 20:17
  
  
  Achiles74 wrote:
  thebillfella wrote:

  Achiles74 wrote:

  I'm saying I rate Coutinho more highly than any other similar young attacking player at Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea or Man City.
  
  Coutinho has had a bigger impact than Oscar at Chelsea, Wilshire at Arsenal Cleverley at Man Utd and Sinclair at Man City for us this season.

  
  
  Hazard?
  Bale (not sure why you've excluded another team above you)?
  Zaha is a watch and see?
  
  I agree he does look a good player but I wouldn't rate him more highly than the first two in my list personally. And there isn't that many in the teams above that tick the 'similar young attacking player' bracket in the teams above Liverpool. There are better similar attacking players and better young players there. It's quite a filter you've applied!!!

  
  
  
  Bale is the media darling for some reason (most Spurs players do become media darlings).
  In my view Walcott has performed a hell of a lot better than Bale this season yet Walcott was ignored in all the player of the season votes.
  
  As for Coutinho being better than Zaha (that is a given) look at Coutinho's top flight experience compared to Zaha's and you ask that question, a player who has performed in the top leagues in England, Brazil, Italy and Spain compared to a player from the championship.
  
  Hazard has not set any fires this season, at the start of the season he was considered the next Messi by fans of clubs who were after him, he created a furore on twitter by teasing which club he was joining yet has been very average this season.
  
  And while Bale has a had a great full season with Spurs Coutinho will match and better Bale in his full season next season.
  
  
  Countinho has had 2 good games against near relegation fodder & your touting him as the next best thing, he's now had 6 months to settle in so i'll reserve judgement till he plays against the top 6 prem teams next year in games that have some meaning to them
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• Re: The 4th Annual Liverpool Seasonal Blog
  16 May 2013, 20:12
  
  
  thebillfella wrote:
  Achiles74 wrote:

  I'm saying I rate Coutinho more highly than any other similar young attacking player at Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea or Man City.
  
  Coutinho has had a bigger impact than Oscar at Chelsea, Wilshire at Arsenal Cleverley at Man Utd and Sinclair at Man City for us this season.

  
  
  Hazard?
  Bale (not sure why you've excluded another team above you)?
  Zaha is a watch and see?
  
  I agree he does look a good player but I wouldn't rate him more highly than the first two in my list personally. And there isn't that many in the teams above that tick the 'similar young attacking player' bracket in the teams above Liverpool. There are better similar attacking players and better young players there. It's quite a filter you've applied!!!
  
  
  
  Bale is the media darling for some reason (most Spurs players do become media darlings).
  In my view Walcott has performed a hell of a lot better than Bale this season yet Walcott was ignored in all the player of the season votes.
  
  As for Coutinho being better than Zaha (that is a given) look at Coutinho's top flight experience compared to Zaha's and you ask that question, a player who has performed in the top leagues in England, Brazil, Italy and Spain compared to a player from the championship.
  
  Hazard has not set any fires this season, at the start of the season he was considered the next Messi by fans of clubs who were after him, he created a furore on twitter by teasing which club he was joining yet has been very average this season.
  
  And while Bale has a had a great full season with Spurs Coutinho will match and better Bale in his full season next season.
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• Re: The 4th Annual Liverpool Seasonal Blog
  15 May 2013, 23:36
  
  
  Achiles74 wrote:
  I'm saying I rate Coutinho more highly than any other similar young attacking player at Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea or Man City.
  
  Coutinho has had a bigger impact than Oscar at Chelsea, Wilshire at Arsenal Cleverley at Man Utd and Sinclair at Man City for us this season.
  
  
  Hazard?
  Bale (not sure why you've excluded another team above you)?
  Zaha is a watch and see?
  
  I agree he does look a good player but I wouldn't rate him more highly than the first two in my list personally. And there isn't that many in the teams above that tick the 'similar young attacking player' bracket in the teams above Liverpool. There are better similar attacking players and better young players there. It's quite a filter you've applied!!!
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• Re: The 4th Annual Liverpool Seasonal Blog
  15 May 2013, 20:54
  
  
  Achiles74 wrote:
  Moist von Lipwig wrote:

  Achiles74 wrote:

  I'm saying I rate Coutinho more highly than any other similar young attacking player at Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea or Man City.
  
  Coutinho has had a bigger impact than Oscar at Chelsea, Wilshire at Arsenal Cleverley at Man Utd and Sinclair at Man City for us this season.

  
  So you're saying Liverpools midfield was poorer overall than those others to start with?

  
  
  
  Of course a midfield with a aging Gerrard, Downing, Henderson, Allen was worse than a midfield of a top 4 team.
  That is why we are not in the top 4.
  
  The addition of Coutinho in January has improved our midfield no end.
  Downing and Henderson are now both playing as they can under the tactics of BR.
  and this is Allens first season.
  
  So we have closed the gap with the signing of Coutinho to the teams above us.
  
  If we sign Erikson in the summer that is also another step in the right direction.
  
  So you're saying Liverpool haven't spent enough money?
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• Re: The 4th Annual Liverpool Seasonal Blog
  15 May 2013, 20:44
  
  
  Moist von Lipwig wrote:
  Achiles74 wrote:

  I'm saying I rate Coutinho more highly than any other similar young attacking player at Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea or Man City.
  
  Coutinho has had a bigger impact than Oscar at Chelsea, Wilshire at Arsenal Cleverley at Man Utd and Sinclair at Man City for us this season.

  
  So you're saying Liverpools midfield was poorer overall than those others to start with?
  
  
  
  Of course a midfield with a aging Gerrard, Downing, Henderson, Allen was worse than a midfield of a top 4 team.
  That is why we are not in the top 4.
  
  The addition of Coutinho in January has improved our midfield no end.
  Downing and Henderson are now both playing as they can under the tactics of BR.
  and this is Allens first season.
  
  So we have closed the gap with the signing of Coutinho to the teams above us.
  
  If we sign Erikson in the summer that is also another step in the right direction.
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• Re: The 4th Annual Liverpool Seasonal Blog
  15 May 2013, 20:41
  
  
  Achiles74 wrote:
  I'm saying I rate Coutinho more highly than any other similar young attacking player at Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea or Man City.
  
  Coutinho has had a bigger impact than Oscar at Chelsea, Wilshire at Arsenal Cleverley at Man Utd and Sinclair at Man City for us this season.
  
  So you're saying Liverpools midfield was poorer overall than those others to start with?
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• Re: The 4th Annual Liverpool Seasonal Blog
  15 May 2013, 20:32
  
  I'm saying I rate Coutinho more highly than any other similar young attacking player at Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea or Man City.
  
  Coutinho has had a bigger impact than Oscar at Chelsea, Wilshire at Arsenal Cleverley at Man Utd and Sinclair at Man City for us this season.
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• Re: Next season should be very interesting
  15 May 2013, 0:48
  
  if arsenal scrape 4th place which wenger will call a successful season
  
  only he says that..his fans dont..lol
  
  will they carry on there policy of selling off the crown jewels
  
  whos next out the door ?
  
  wilshere
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• Tonight's ratings
  15 May 2013, 0:01
  
  STAR MAN - ALEX McCARTHY
  READING: McCarthy 9, Gunter 6, Mariappa 7, Morrison 6, Kelly 6, Karacan 7, Guthrie 6, McCleary 7, McAnuff 6, Pogrebnyak 5, Robson-Kanu 6. Subs: Le Fondre (Pogrebnyak 62) 4, Blackman (McAnuff 69) 4. Not used: Taylor, Pearce, Harte, Akpan, Carrico.
  MAN CITY: Hart 8, Richards 7, Clichy 7, Lescott 6, K Toure 5, Barry 6, Y Toure 8, Tevez 8, Silva 8, Milner 8, Aguero 8. Subs: Maicon (K Toure 15) 5, Garcia (Barry 58) 4, Dzeko (Aguero 62) 6. Not used: Pantilimon, Kolarov, Nasri, Rodwell. Booked: Barry.
  
  STAR MAN - SANTI CAZORLA (Arsenal)
  
  ARSENAL: Szczesny 6, Sagna 6, Gibbs 7, Koscielny 6, Mertesacker 7, Walcott 7, Arteta 6, Ramsey 7, Cazorla 8, Podolski 7, Rosicky 6. Subs: Oxlade-Chamberlain (Podolski 78) 6, Wilshere (Rosicky 78) 6, Vermaelen (Arteta 90) 5. Not used: Fabianski, Monreal, Jenkinson, Gervinho.
  
  WIGAN: Robles 5, Boyce 5, Scharner 6, Alcaraz 4, Espinoza 5, Gomez 6, McCarthy 5, McArthur 6, Maloney 7, McManaman 6, Kone 6. Subs: Di Santo (McManaman 57) 5, Watson (Gomez 64) 5, Henriquez (Maloney 85) 5. Not used: Al Habsi, Caldwell, Golobart, Fyvie. Booked: Alcaraz, Maloney.
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• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  14 May 2013, 19:05
  
  Wilshere benched
  
  Gibbs in at left back for Monreal
  
  Guts churning
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• Re: TFF chit chat 14th and 19th May.
  14 May 2013, 18:53
  
  Arsenal: Szczesny, Sagna, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Gibbs, Rosicky, Arteta, Ramsey, Cazorla, Walcott, Podolski #AFCvWAFC
  
  Subs: Fabianski, Vermaelen, Jenkinson, Monreal, Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Gervinho
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• Re: The Rounded Keeper - Pub Talk & Matchday Banter Thread 1
  14 May 2013, 18:53
  
  Szczesny, Sagna, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Gibbs, Rosicky, Arteta, Ramsey, Cazorla, Walcott, Podolski
  Subs: Fabianski, Vermaelen, Jenkinson, Monreal, Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Gervinho
  
  Latics team to face Arsenal: Robles, Kone, Alcaraz, McCarthy, Maloney, Gomez, McManaman, McArthur, Boyce, Espinoza, Scharner
  Subs: Al Habsi, Caldwell, Watson, Di Santo, Henriquez, Fyvie, Golobart
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• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  14 May 2013, 10:45
  
  
  foxinthebox2001 wrote:
  Santi, Wilshere & Fab would be quite a trio, then when Wilshere's injury returns around January through over playing him, Diaby can come in for his usual 5 game season.
  
  
  And cue another few dozen pages of some people saying there is no ball winner in Arsenal's midfield; and one or two saying it doesn't matter - until he changes his mind
  
  And they are all midgets?
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• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  14 May 2013, 9:46
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 14167.html
  
  We would be mugs if we didn't take up our option for about £15m, thats if he can be convinced he will win trophies at the Emirates.
  
  Santi, Wilshere & Fab would be quite a trio, then when Wilshere's injury returns around January through over playing him, Diaby can come in for his usual 5 game season.
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• Re: TFF Draft League The troublesome second season
  05 May 2013, 15:38
  
  Wilshire Oscar
  Agbonlahor Kone
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• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  05 May 2013, 11:39
  
  
  mikeg13 wrote:
  Our form in last 12 or so games in terms of points gained, is title winning form, see no reason why that can not be carried over to next.
  
  
  The form that Arsenal need to worry about carrying over to next season is ony one win in 10 games against the other teams in the Top 6.
  
  Finishing above Chelsea would something to sing about, but as Red Eye says they need to break the bank to get anywhere near the title race next season. But even shopping at Harrods will be tough for them as City and Chelsea's new managers can outbid them - not to mention the likes of United, Real, Barca, Bayern and PSG.
  
  One thing in their favour is that they're unlikely to be raided themselves this summer. Wilshire is about the only potential target and no one is going to risk top dollar on him until his injury concerns are over.
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• Ratings - 27/28 April
  29 Apr 2013, 7:21
  
  Arsenal 1 - 1 Manchester United
  Dream Team Star Man: Michael Carrick
  
  Arsenal:
  Szczesny 6, Sagna 4, Mertesacker 7, Koscielny 7, Gibbs 7, Arteta 6, Ramsey 6 (Oxlade-Chamberlain 6), Walcott 7, Rosicky 7 (Wilshere 7), Cazorla 6, Podolski 6 (Gervinho 6). Subs not used: Mannone, Vermaelen, Monreal, Jenkinson. Booked: Sagna, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain.
  
  Manchester United:
  De Gea 6, Rafael 6 (Anderson 6), Ferdinand 7, Evans 6, Evra 6, Valencia 6, Carrick 8, Jones 7, Nani 6 (Giggs 6), Rooney 6 (Hernandez 6), Van Persie 7. Subs not used: Lindegaard, Cleverley, Kagawa, Buttner. Booked: Evans, Jones, Rafael, Valencia, Van Persie.
  
  
  Chelsea 2 - 0 Swansea City
  Dream Team Star Man: Frank Lampard
  
  Chelsea:
  Cech 6, Azpilicueta 5, Cahill 6, Terry 6, Cole 6, Luiz 6, Ramires 2 (Lampard 8), Oscar 7, Mata 7, Hazard 8, Ba 6. Subs not used: Turnbull, Ivanovic, Torres, Mikel, Benayoun, Bertrand. Booked: Azpilicueta.
  
  Swansea City:
  Vorm 6, Rangel 6, Chico 6, Williams 5, Davies 5 (Taylor 5), Ki 6, Britton 5 (Schechter 5), Routledge 6 (Dyer 5), De Guzman 6, Hernandez 6, Michu 6. Subs not used: Tremmel, Monk, Moore, Tiendalli. Booked: Williams, Britton, Davies.
  
  
  Reading 0 - 0 Queens Park Rangers
  Dream Team Star Man: Armand Traore
  
  Reading:
  McCarthy 7, Gunter 6, Mariappa 6, Morrison 7, Kelly 6 (Harte 6), McCleary 5 (Le Fondre 7), Karacan 6, Guthrie 6, McAnuff 6, Pogrebnyak 5, Blackman 5 (Robson-Kanu 6). Subs not used: Taylor, Pearce,, Hunt, Carrico.
  
  Queens Park Rangers:
  Green 7, Bosingwa 5, (Fabio 6), Hill 6, Onuoha 6, Traore 7, Jenas 6, Granero 7, Mbia 5 (Mackie 5), Taarabt 6 (Hoilett 6) Remy 5, Bothroyd 5. Subs not used: Cesar, Derry, Park, Ben Haim. Booked: Granero, Fabio.
  
  
  Everton 1 - 0 Fulham
  Dream Team Star Man: Steven Pienaar
  
  Everton:
  Howard 7, Coleman 7, Jagielka 7, Distin 6, Baines 7, Mirallas 8, Osman 7, Fellaini 7, Pienaar 8, Jelavic 5 (Barkley 7), Anichebe 6. Subs not used: Mucha, Hibbert, Heitinga, Oviedo, Naismith, Duffy. Booked: Osman.
  
  Fulham:
  Schwarzer 7, Manolev 5, Senderos 6, Hangeland 6, Richardson 6 (Duff 6), Emanuelson 6, Karagounis 6 (Rodallega 6), Enoh 7, Kacaniklic 6, Ruiz 6, Berbatov 5 (Petric 5). Subs not used: Etheridge, Frimpong, Hughes, Frei. Booked: Enoh, Emanuelson, Manolev.
  
  
  Southampton 0 - 3 West Bromwich Albion
  Dream Team Star Man: Romelu Lukaku
  
  Southampton:
  Boruc 7, Clyne 6, Yoshida 5, Hooiveld 5, Fox 4, Schneiderlin 6, S Davis 6, Cork 5 (Ramirez 3), Lambert 6 (Fonte 6), Rodriguez 5, Lallana 5 (Mayuka 5). Subs not used: K Davis, Forren, Do Prado, Puncheon. Sent Off: Ramirez, Fox. Booked: Hooiveld, Fox.
  
  West Bromwich Albion:
  Foster 6, Reid 7, Olsson 7, McAuley 7, Ridgewell 6, Yacob 7, Dorrans 7, Fortune 7, Morrison 7 (Jones 6), Lukaku 8 (Thomas 6), Long 7 (Rosenberg 6). Subs not used: Myhill, Odemwingie, Tamas, Donervorn Daniels. Sent Off: Fortune. Booked: Yacob, Ridgewell.
  
  
  Stoke City 1 - 0 Norwich City
  Dream Team Star Man: Charlie Adam
  
  Stoke City:
  Begovic 6, Shotton 7, Shawcross 7, Huth 7, Wilkinson 7 (Cameron 6), Walters 7, Nzonzi 7, Whelan 6 (Whitehead 6), Adam 8, Jerome 6 (Etherington 5), Crouch 6. Subs not used: Sorensen, Jones, Owen, Kightly. Booked: Nzonzi, Jerome, Crouch, Walters.
  
  Norwich City:
  Bunn 6, Martin 6, R Bennett 6, Bassong 6 (Pilkington 4), Whittaker 6, Tettey 5 (Hoolahan 5), Howson 5, Johnson 5, Snodgrass 5 (E Bennett 5), Kamara 5, Holt 5. Subs not used: Camp, Garrido, Becchio, Barnett. Booked: Holt, Johnson.
  
  
  Wigan Athletic 2 - 2 Tottenham Hotspur
  Dream Team Star Man: James McCarthy
  
  Wigan Athletic:
  Robles 5, Boyce 8, Scharner 7, Figueroa 4 (Stam 5), Gomez 6 (Espinoza 5), McCarthy 8, McArthur 7, Beausejour 6, McManaman 6 (Di Santo 6), Kone 7, Maloney 7. Subs not used: Al Habsi, Caldwell, Watson, Henriquez. Booked: Gomez, Di Santo, Scharner.
  
  Tottenham Hotspur:
  Lloris 5, Walker 7, Dawson 4, Vertonghen 6, Naughton 6 (Assou-Ekotto 6), Parker 5 (Lennon 5), Huddlestone 7, Bale 6, Dembele 5 (Holtby 5), Dempsey 5, Defoe 5. Subs not used: Friedel, Sigurdsson, Caulker, Carroll. Booked: Dawson.
  
  
  Manchester City 2 - 1 West Ham United
  Dream Team Star Man: Samir Nasri
  
  Manchester City:
  Hart 5, Zabaleta 6, Kompany 7, Lescott 6, Clichy 6, Y Toure 7, Barry 6, Silva 7 (Milner 6), Nasri 8 (K Toure 5), Tevez 8 (Garcia 5), Aguero 7. Subs not used: Pantilimon, Dzeko, Kolarov, Nastasic. Booked: Zabaleta.
  
  West Ham United:
  Jaaskelainen 6, O’Brien 6 (J Cole 5), Reid 5, Collins 5, Demel 5, O’Neil 6, Diame 6, Vaz Te 5 (Collison 5), Nolan 5 (Taylor 5), Jarvis 6, Carroll 6. Subs not used: Henderson, C Cole, Noble, Pogatetz. Booked: Carroll, Collison, O’Brien.
  
  
  Newcastle 0-6 Liverpool
  
  DREAM TEAM STAR MAN — PHILIPPE COUTINHO
  
  NEWCASTLE: Elliot 6, Debuchy 5, S Taylor 6, Yanga-Mbiwa 4, Haidara 5, Sissoko 5, Tiote 5 (Anita 5), Cabaye 6, Perch 4 (Ben Arfa 6), Gutierrez 4 (Gouffran 5), Cisse 5. Subs not used: Harper, Williamson, Gosling, Ameobi. Sent Off: Debuchy. Booked: Debuchy, Gutierrez, S Taylor.
  
  LIVERPOOL: Reina 6, Johnson 6, Carragher 7, Agger 7, Jose Enrique 7, Henderson 8, Gerrard 8 (Borini 6), Lucas 7, Coutinho 9 (Suso 5),Sturridge 8 (Shelvey 5), Downing 6. Subs not used: Jones, Coates, Skrtel, Wisdom. Booked: Sturridge, Johnson.
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• Re: Jordan Henderson should be in full England team
  28 Apr 2013, 22:21
  
  Already covered this one earlier in the year.
  
  
  thebillfella wrote:
  Charade wrote:

  Yep agreed, both complement each other quite well. Real question for me is if they are a 2 or 3 man midfield combination. On merit I would put FFL or Gerrard there but surely there are some good players in there somewhere?

  
  
  Cleverley and Wilshere could become a similar quandry to Lampard and Gerrard playing together unless they are released from disciplined defensive shackles by employing a Carrick / Parker behind them. That then leads to having one up front, which is where Welbeck comes in as he is currently our best option IMO for playing the lone front role (assuming that we want Rooney to play from deeper rather than him playing that role). And this assumes of course that Gerrard and Lampard will be put out to pasture, which I don't think will happen before next summer's tournament.
  
  As such, I see that leaving just one position up for grabs - the right (or left) hand winger role - currently between Young, Walcott, Ox and Zaha atm for me (I think as predicted earlier this year that Sterling's development this season has been stunted by beening overplayed by Liverpool and as such he finds himself at the back of that queue atm).
  
  Henderson and Shelvey have no chance or usurping that lot unless they all suffer unprecidented concurrent injuries.
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• Re: TFF chit chat 27th, 28th and 29th April.
  28 Apr 2013, 15:13
  
  RVP starts!
  
  
  Arsenal: Szczesny, Sagna, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Gibbs, Arteta, Ramsey, Rosicky, Cazorla, Walcott, Podolski
  Subs: Mannone, Vermaelen, Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Monreal, Jenkinson, Gervinho
  
  Man Utd: De Gea, Da Silva, Ferdinand, Evans, Evra, Valencia, Carrick, Jones, Nani, Rooney, van Persie
  Subs: Lindegaard, Anderson, Giggs, Hernandez, Cleverley, Kagawa, Buttner
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• Re: The Rounded Keeper - Pub Talk & Matchday Banter Thread 1
  28 Apr 2013, 15:08
  
  Szczesny, Sagna, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Gibbs, Arteta, Ramsey, Rosicky, Cazorla, Walcott, Podolski
  Mannone, Vermaelen, Jenkinson, Monreal, Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Gervinho
  
  RVP also starts
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• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  25 Apr 2013, 13:13
  
  
  AkNotSpur wrote:
  
  The fact that, in March last year, Dortmund agreed to a release clause in Gotze's contract - triggered by transfer bids of 37 million euros and upwards - suggests that their financial position is a lot worse than Arsenal's. Unless the Gooners have placed a similar clause in Jack Wilshire's last deal?
  
  Gotze also isn't citing any lack of ambition on the part of Borussia - apparently he wants to play under Guardiola, but I'm sure that Bayern will pay him (and his agent) considerably more.
  
  
  Arsenal are richer than Dortmund - i'm not disputing that
  
  I'm simply showing that what happens to Arsenal is repeated elsewhere - a club buying and developing young players only to see them bought by other clubs who can outbid them.
  
  And I just don't buy the "wanting to play for" stuff - Players follow the money - of course other stuff comes into it but that's the driver
  
  Or has everyone "always wanted to play for City"?
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• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  25 Apr 2013, 1:15
  
  
  Groomyd wrote:
  For those who knock Arsenal for selling their best players spare a thought for Dortmund who have already had Gotze grabbed by Bayern and will lose Lewandoski, maybe to Bayern too
  
  Same issue different country
  
  
  The fact that, in March last year, Dortmund agreed to a release clause in Gotze's contract - triggered by transfer bids of 37 million euros and upwards - suggests that their financial position is a lot worse than Arsenal's. Unless the Gooners have placed a similar clause in Jack Wilshire's last deal?
  
  Gotze also isn't citing any lack of ambition on the part of Borussia - apparently he wants to play under Guardiola, but I'm sure that Bayern will pay him (and his agent) considerably more.
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• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  21 Apr 2013, 1:08
  
  
  Charade wrote:
  What do they have to lose though? 4 matches left. I suppose against Man Utd we'll be seeing Walcott up front.
  
  May be me seeing, fingers crossed way our luck is running, could be a blessing in disguise. Players are nervous and sitting back, Walcott has pace and his finishing getting better, it means we have to play more on the break and looking at fixtures in my view not a bad thing. Podolski will shoot on sight as expect him to play in last 4, its still going to be very tight but it is do able. To me the key is Wilshire in those last 4 if he can hit some form we should/could do it. Thought last season finish was a miracle, if he does it again this season expect Wenger to cross the Thames without using a bridge.
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• Re: Match of the Day 12/13 - Live Commentary from FISO
  20 Apr 2013, 23:36
  
  I'd love to punch Wilshere. The little prick.
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• Re: TFF chit chat 16th, 17th, 20th, 21st and 22nd April.
  20 Apr 2013, 14:47
  
  Swansea v Southampton
  
  Swansea: Vorm, Rangel, Chico, Williams, Davies, Britton, de Guzman, Hernandez, Michu, Dyer, Moore
  Subs: Tremmel, Taylor, Routledge, Monk, Shechter, Tiendalli, Ki
  
  Southampton: Boruc, Clyne, Yoshida, Hooiveld, Fox, Schneiderlin, Cork, Steven Davis, Lallana, Rodriguez, Lambert
  Subs: Kelvin Davis, Fonte, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Shaw, Mayuka, Puncheon
  
  
  Fulham v Arsenal
  
  Fulham: Schwarzer, Manolev, Senderos, Hangeland, Richardson, Emanuelson, Sidwell, Enoh, Kacaniklic, Ruiz, Berbatov
  Subs: Etheridge, Riise, Petric, Karagounis, Hughes, Rodallega, Frei
  
  Arsenal: Szczesny, Sagna, Mertesacker, Koscielny, Monreal, Rosicky, Arteta, Ramsey, Walcott, Giroud, Cazorla
  Subs: Mannone, Vermaelen, Podolski, Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Gervinho, Gibbs
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• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  20 Apr 2013, 12:20
  
  
  Tricky Tree wrote:
  Bunners wrote:

  Tricky Tree wrote:

  Groomyd wrote:

  The deliberate foul by Gibson on Wilshere was a yellow card in my view - he was taking one for the team as he knew he was away.

  
  
  plays against
  
  

  tedbull wrote:

  Wilshere was on the edge of his own box facing Fellaini and Gibson clipped him slightly - never a yellow in a million years.

  
  
  What chance do officials have when we read a game so differently

  
  
  They are talking about different incidents to be fair to them both

  
  
  errr, no they're not
  
  
  I know that now ... I can't believe I was so stupid
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• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  20 Apr 2013, 8:37
  
  
  Bunners wrote:
  Tricky Tree wrote:

  Groomyd wrote:

  The deliberate foul by Gibson on Wilshere was a yellow card in my view - he was taking one for the team as he knew he was away.

  
  
  plays against
  
  

  tedbull wrote:

  Wilshere was on the edge of his own box facing Fellaini and Gibson clipped him slightly - never a yellow in a million years.

  
  
  What chance do officials have when we read a game so differently

  
  
  They are talking about different incidents to be fair to them both
  
  
  errr, no they're not
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• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  20 Apr 2013, 0:26
  
  
  Groomyd wrote:
  Gibson could have been booked three times - firstly for a deliberate trip on Wilshere to stop a counter attack (smart play from Gibson but it's down to the ref to realise that a little trip in Arsenal's half stopped a fast counter attack) , then the booking he got when both Mirales and Gibson launched in and then the clearest booking of the lot - when he body checked wilshere.
  
  Obviously he should have been sent off having been booked - that is the only thing we can agree on here - the other two decisions were debatable.
  
  As for Wenger berating anyone more than any other manger - well that's laughable - they all do it
  
  Ted - vilification of Andy Johnson? Now you really are reaching
  
  Fergie is a past master at giving his prematch interviews in an attempt to influence the ref - and there is no bigger berator - pick on him for your random hate schtick?
  
  
  Fwiw I agree work mike and if Gibson could have been booked 3 times so could Sagna he dived to hold his face, tripped mirallas once and pulled pienaar back.... But you hear no complaints... Add to that grounds dive in from behind on Coleman with no card .... So Gibson wasn't the ONLY lucky person if we're playing by the a foul is a yellow rule you seem to be... anyway it's a new weekend
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• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  19 Apr 2013, 18:15
  
  Gibson could have been booked three times - firstly for a deliberate trip on Wilshere to stop a counter attack (smart play from Gibson but it's down to the ref to realise that a little trip in Arsenal's half stopped a fast counter attack) , then the booking he got when both Mirales and Gibson launched in and then the clearest booking of the lot - when he body checked wilshere.
  
  Obviously he should have been sent off having been booked - that is the only thing we can agree on here - the other two decisions were debatable.
  
  As for Wenger berating anyone more than any other manger - well that's laughable - they all do it
  
  Ted - vilification of Andy Johnson? Now you really are reaching
  
  Fergie is a past master at giving his prematch interviews in an attempt to influence the ref - and there is no bigger berator - pick on him for your random hate schtick?
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• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  19 Apr 2013, 15:15
  
  
  murf wrote:
  Bunners wrote:

  Groomy is then talking about the challenge after Gibson had been booked.

  
  
  No, you are wrong (if I have interpreted his post correctly) -
  The deliberate foul by Gibson on Wilshere was a yellow card in my view - he was taking one for the team [/b]as he knew he was away.
  
  Luckily for him it was during the first part of the game where the ref allowed several fouls to go unpunished where in other games they may have been yellows.
  
  
  i stand corrected If this is the case Ted is right and Groomy worng
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• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  19 Apr 2013, 15:10
  
  
  Bunners wrote:
  Groomy is then talking about the challenge after Gibson had been booked.
  
  
  No, you are wrong (if I have interpreted his post correctly) -
  The deliberate foul by Gibson on Wilshere was a yellow card in my view - he was taking one for the team [/b]as he knew he was away.
  
  Luckily for him it was during the first part of the game where the ref allowed several fouls to go unpunished where in other games they may have been yellows.
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• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  19 Apr 2013, 15:06
  
  
  Tricky Tree wrote:
  Groomyd wrote:

  The deliberate foul by Gibson on Wilshere was a yellow card in my view - he was taking one for the team as he knew he was away.

  
  
  plays against
  
  

  tedbull wrote:

  Wilshere was on the edge of his own box facing Fellaini and Gibson clipped him slightly - never a yellow in a million years.

  
  
  What chance do officials have when we read a game so differently
  
  
  They are talking about different incidents to be fair to them both
  
  Wenger said Gibson should have been booked before he was - Wenger was wrong as Teds comment suggests...Groomy is then talking about the challenge after Gibson had been booked.
  
  I commented on Sagna earlier that was another one where they cut to wenger berating the 4th official only to see the replay and pienaar be nowhere near Sagnas head and actually removing his foot from the incident.....as I said above as well and I do try to be as impartial as possible (difficult I know) that we went in hard and arsenal feel to the floor holding ankles and rolling around, Arsenal went in hard and we took them and continued playing. One incident I remember a challenge between wilshire and barkley.....Barkley fav to win the ball and did Wilshire goes down (think he did hurt himself) and immediately Wenger started arm throwing and having a go at the official......I wont miss him when he goes either
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• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  19 Apr 2013, 11:16
  
  
  tedbull wrote:
  Groomyd wrote:

  tedbull wrote:

  It's cheating and he's been doing it for years.

  
  
  Sorry Ted, i wasnt expecting much evidence of Wenger being a "cheat" but harringing the fourth official as your example is ridiculous.
  
  All managers do that
  
  Both Moyes and Wenger did it throughout the game on Tuesday for example

  
  
  Wenger did it throughout the game.
  
  How many examples do you want? The vilification of Andy Johnson? Stoke against Spurs? The chap comes out with shite to suit his agenda. It's reflected in his team. Was Cazorla really injured when he rolled around? Did Wilshere believe he'd been elbowed? Did Wenger believe either of those incidents took place when he reacted? No, it's a pre-meditated response to gain Arsenal time and space to play his style of football.
  
  On at least one occassion Moyes probably reacted to Arsene's constant ear bashing of the 4th official and thought he would give his opinion too.
  On this occasion Wenger seemed to be concerned if it become niggly Wilshere was the most likely to draw the attention of the officials.
  The young lad is quite a chippy player, a few mutterings directed towards Everton players and the ref, even Kos got a volley from him.
  No bad thing, I like a player with a bit of attitude but he needs to be careful to not go too far.
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• Re: Arsenal 2012/13
  19 Apr 2013, 10:37
  
  
  Tricky Tree wrote:
  Groomyd wrote:

  The deliberate foul by Gibson on Wilshere was a yellow card in my view - he was taking one for the team as he knew he was away.

  
  
  plays against
  
  

  tedbull wrote:

  Wilshere was on the edge of his own box facing Fellaini and Gibson clipped him slightly - never a yellow in a million years.

  
  
  What chance do officials have when we read a game so differently
  
  
  The officials do have the advantage of being neutral!
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