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Dier, Eric

Club: Tottenham
Position: DF


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  • Re: Juan Mata
    21 Aug 2014, 20:43

    Dier, Dier, Dier....
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  • Re: Juan Mata
    21 Aug 2014, 20:37

    Oh dier, what a duff thread.

    Blaze is on the phone to the Samaritans
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  • Re: Ben Davies
    21 Aug 2014, 20:09

    Dier 5.1 now so you would need more than 0.5m in the bank
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  • Re: Ben Davies
    21 Aug 2014, 19:45

    eric-dier-and-the-5-0m-spurs-defenders-t112504.html

    I think Kaboul is the best bet to stay in the team, he was rested tonight, and had the captains armband on against West Ham in GW1. Already a discussion about this in the above thread.
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  • Re: Ben Davies
    21 Aug 2014, 19:44

    Agree Dier is the most like for like. They are both non first teamers (once vertongen is fit). Not sure why you'd want to replace with "like" rather than "better" though.
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  • Re: Ben Davies
    21 Aug 2014, 19:40

    I suppose that Dier is the most like-for-like replacement. Assuming that you have 0.5 in the bank to go to a 5.0 defender (Davies price drop means you need the spare cash), then I think I would drop to a 4.5 to preserve you ability to upgrade one of the front seven by 0.5.

    None of the 5.0s really jump out due to new managers, doubts over starting places or cheaper CRDs in the same team.
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  • Re: lamela
    21 Aug 2014, 19:28

    bennyc wrote:
    Ratings first appear on Sun+

    DREAM TEAM RATINGS

    SUN STAR MAN: ERIK LAMELA (TOTTENHAM)

    TOTTENHAM: Lloris 7, Naughton 6, Dier 7, Vertonghen 6, Davies 5, Bentaleb 6, Paulinho 5 (Chadli 59, 5), Holtby 6 (Dembele 66, 5), Townsend 6 (Lamela 72, 7), Kane 7, Soldado 5. Subs not used: Friedel, Rose, Dawson, Sandro.

    Booked: Holtby, Soldado, Davies.

    AEL LIMASSOL: Fegrouch, Sielis, Carlitos, Cadu, Diego Barcelos (Eleftheriou 67), Edmar, Luciano Bebe, Guidileye, Adrian Sardinero (Carlitos 81), Gikiewicz (Tagbajumi 73), Nikolaou. Subs not used: Nadeau, Stavrou, Romero, Espana.


    Happy with Lamela's points tonight, hoping this gives him confidence for the "easy" game at the weekend.
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  • Re: Ben Davies
    21 Aug 2014, 19:14

    In that case, any thoughts on who I should replace him with?

    Clyne?
    N Taylor?
    Chester?
    Dier?
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  • Re: lamela
    21 Aug 2014, 18:36

    bennyc wrote:
    Ratings first appear on Sun+

    DREAM TEAM RATINGS

    SUN STAR MAN: ERIK LAMELA (TOTTENHAM)

    TOTTENHAM: Lloris 7, Naughton 6, Dier 7, Vertonghen 6, Davies 5, Bentaleb 6, Paulinho 5 (Chadli 59, 5), Holtby 6 (Dembele 66, 5), Townsend 6 (Lamela 72, 7), Kane 7, Soldado 5. Subs not used: Friedel, Rose, Dawson, Sandro.

    Booked: Holtby, Soldado, Davies.

    AEL LIMASSOL: Fegrouch, Sielis, Carlitos, Cadu, Diego Barcelos (Eleftheriou 67), Edmar, Luciano Bebe, Guidileye, Adrian Sardinero (Carlitos 81), Gikiewicz (Tagbajumi 73), Nikolaou. Subs not used: Nadeau, Stavrou, Romero, Espana.


    Ok thanks
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  • Re: Player View
    21 Aug 2014, 18:31

    YaYa.....No need to be so Krul! Whats the Mata with a little word play? You sound like you're Green with envy because of the Sterling attempts by posters to have a laugh during a Long season. Its a special type of Wisdom which this forum is in Dier need of. I find it Terry entertaining and would love to see Mutch more! You need to Livermore but i bet you're Lovren it really :wink:
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  • Re: lamela
    21 Aug 2014, 18:30

    Ratings first appear on Sun+

    DREAM TEAM RATINGS

    SUN STAR MAN: ERIK LAMELA (TOTTENHAM)

    TOTTENHAM: Lloris 7, Naughton 6, Dier 7, Vertonghen 6, Davies 5, Bentaleb 6, Paulinho 5 (Chadli 59, 5), Holtby 6 (Dembele 66, 5), Townsend 6 (Lamela 72, 7), Kane 7, Soldado 5. Subs not used: Friedel, Rose, Dawson, Sandro.

    Booked: Holtby, Soldado, Davies.

    AEL LIMASSOL: Fegrouch, Sielis, Carlitos, Cadu, Diego Barcelos (Eleftheriou 67), Edmar, Luciano Bebe, Guidileye, Adrian Sardinero (Carlitos 81), Gikiewicz (Tagbajumi 73), Nikolaou. Subs not used: Nadeau, Stavrou, Romero, Espana.
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 17:58

    Come on Lamela bring it to the EPL this season has to be the one :lol:
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 17:50

    Has looked very good since coming on. Hoping for a dreamteam star man....!
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 17:38

    Another Lamela assist I hope he brings this into the weekend
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 17:33

    Soldado (Lamela)... oh wait I forgot it's not the EPL :lol:
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 17:19

    Ya not bad going forward but defensive positioning has been suspect
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 16:40

    Davies been caught out 2 or 3 times in first 30 mins
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 16:29

    online
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 16:22

    What Channel did ya find it on?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 16:16

    Found it in foreign.

    1-0 AEL

    Mistake from Paulinho
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 16:16

    Just checked the lineup, no Eriksen no Lamela.. brought in Soldado. Looks like he feels he'll walk over this team (AEL?!).
    Doubts about Davies again then. Maybe Dier retaining his spot too..

    Edit: AEL scored :lol:
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 16:08

    Can't find it on telly anywhere...
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 16:02

    Hm, this is interesting. I was going to possibly watch this game as it was :)
    Pochettino said recently how his view on the Europa is now different, he takes it seriously as the winner secures a spot in the CL. This qualifier is important for them if that's the case, almost makes me wonder if he rested Davies who's actually his real first choice LB :lol: can only wait and see i suppose. Which would be nice as he's now dropped to 4.9..

    Dier, perhaps just being rewarded for a good performance. Can he just not tell us in a press conference :lol:
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 15:47

    Nice, I'm hoping Pochettino is just resting Kaboul, and getting JV up to match fitness.

    Walker, JV, Kaboul, Davies in the future please Mauricio! :lol:
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 15:44

    Dier and Naughton retain their places for their Europa league game tonight. Davies and Vertonghen in for Rose and Kaboul...

    Dier could be a decent shout but has already risen 0.1m. Hoping Davies has a good game and can keep Rose out the side
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 15:32

    vendzol wrote:
    To my mind there's only one word refferring to Spurs defence: Llloris.

    I know this thread is about Defs, but I wouldn't risk any of above as there'll be lot of rotation. Their goalie is the best way to get points for Spurs' clean sheets.


    Depending how tight spurs are though you end up loosing out on all those lovely save points. I'd still favour cheap keepers for now with savings invested elsewhere. Although the BP situation will be concerning.

    I'd just wait and see on their outfield defenders. I'd personally expect Davies to nail down that left back spot eventually.
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 15:26

    This thread isn't about Vertonghen though, of course Lloris becomes seemingly better value if you compare him with an expensive defender. This thread if you read it, it's clearly about trying to find the £5.0m playing spurs defenders, as they will be good value. :roll:

    I appreciate your point though, if you did want a nailed on Spurs defender you would pick Lloris, though I think that's been obvious from the start.
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  • Re: Early EL news
    21 Aug 2014, 15:18

    Good to see Dier in there 8-) 8-)
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  • Re: Early EL news
    21 Aug 2014, 14:59

    Starting line-up: Lloris (c); Naughton, Dier, Vertonghen, Davies; Bentaleb, Paulinho; Holtby, Townsend, Kane; Soldado.

    Substitutes: Friedel, Rose, Dawson, Chadli, Dembele, Sandro, Lamela.


    Pretty strong line-up
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 14:51

    Carlos Kickaball wrote:
    The problem with Lloris is he's not as good value, most people have a Man U or Chelsea defender.

    DDG + Kaboul = 10.5m
    Lloris + Jones = 11.0m

    Courtois + Kaboul = 11.0m
    Lloris + Cahill = 12.0m


    Yes, but to be fair you can't pick Kaboul as Spurs' nailed on defender. No one knows if he's going to play so i'd rather pick Verthongen to such a comparison. In this case:

    DDG + Verthongen = 11.5m
    Lloris + Jones = 11.0m
    Courtois + Verthongen = 12.0m
    Lloris + Cahill = 11.0m

    And even:

    DDG + Cahill + Verthongen = 18.0
    Courtois + Cahil + Verthongen = 18.5
    Lloris + Cahill + Jones = 17.5 (and yes, this is my choice with Terry instead of Cahill)

    Now Lloris doesn't look that bad, does he?
    The reason we're talking about Lloris is his position in the team as with a new manager it's still to be seen which defenders will get their time.
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 14:30

    The problem with Lloris is he's not as good value, most people have a Man U or Chelsea defender.

    DDG + Kaboul = 10.5m
    Lloris + Jones = 11.0m

    Courtois + Kaboul = 11.0m
    Lloris + Cahill = 12.0m
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  • Re: Statistics..
    21 Aug 2014, 13:17

    ~Bongo,
    I would never, ever buy on just an ownership level basis. I am not a fan of that at all. It's just with those punts who have no prior history in this league, but ones with common sense who i think could do well, the high ownership is just another factor to consider. I got absolutely left behind on Hazard when he came to the Prem (didn't look to any statistics of any kind, i was a different FPL player then)- now i would have gone for him. His % was very high (repeat, not the be all and end all) and he looked very very good. He was worth the chance.
    Completely agree with you on the adjust to prem part, our league is overrated. Although in saying that, for now, start of the season, every player apart from Dier is in the starting 11 and has either been in the prem or just stuck here. They are safer more reliable options initially in my opinion. Your reasoning to get Costa is fine too of course.
    Like i say, FPL stats won't make it up for me. Like Carlos it aids though, and it depends how the pecking order goes. Ramsey was my #1 midfielder pick as i selected my squad and nobody was going to change that. Debut seasons i will go more on initiative than stats (because obviously, there are no historical FPL stats to judge on), but i will wait for them to deliver yes. If i decided they weren't worth the go before, i'd wait. To do otherwise is risky. I'm not saying i'd always "wait and see". I'm not saying Sanchez is a bad risky pick by any means, but in his case the price/position he would most likely play in (common sense) didn't add up to me. He was too low in the pecking order compared to the others. Costa however, was worth it. So i did.

    ~Kane, it's got to the point i'm just glad you aren't dismissing statistics period. :lol:

    ~Hartvix, totally agree with all. :) I don't know what % stats go towards my decision making yet, but i'd certainly/obviously say common sense trumps it.

    ~Stemania, you're partially missing the point as i think everyone agrees common sense takes over on the whole. But..
    -Yes, if the PP90 difference was large you'd already know. Or most of the time. I always said it comes down to tighter decisions.
    -Small differences? Well let's assume you're comparing because they're similar (tight decisions), fixtures both look nice however they're both chugging along. Nobody really on fire. Let's partially ignore role. I'm not saying i wouldn't factor it, but the point stands both of them seem to be performing to the same degree. It's about points. I would then look up the PP90, which would statistically give one the edge. So it's not useless, again you give or take. You clearly give.
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    So, what if the players you're comparing cost different amounts? Let's say a player costing 7.5m had a PP90 of 4.5 last year, and a player worth 6.5 had a PP90 of 3.8 last year, then what conclusion do you draw? What use has the PP90 stat been here?

    Very simple and this is where i find PP90 to be a big advantage. Value for money. I'm NOT saying i would bank the cash every time, i'd use it to upgrade elsewhere if there was a clearer option on where seems better to spend it. Which there would be. Statistically, there would be a different position where it is worth your money. Sigurdsson is a key example of this, and no, he wasn't an obvious pick to me before PP90 came into it. It is not useless..
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    Look at the Debuchy vs Clyne example earlier in the thread. In what way is last year's PP90 stat of both players helpful when Debuchy has moved to a Champions League club and Clyne has a new manager and possibly a new tactical system? How would you use PP90 here except plain guessing how much difference these changes will make? How can I use it to compare Toure to Silva or Hazard to Eriksen given their large price differences? Never mind those new to the league, who make PP90 an incomplete stat at best. :(

    With this example, it is my initiative again that has been the deciding factor along PP90. He is worth your money more than Debuchy is. Anyone who gets Debuchy assumes he is going to do better at Arsenal, and yes with common sense i've bared that in mind. With Clyne, those who have actually picked him.. yes i have also bared a drop in mind with common sense. It is still worth it. that's a 1/4 chance that both those things could happen. 1/2 chance it goes my way (either Clyne improves further and Debuchy stays where he is, or Clyne just stays how he is and so does Debuchy). It's worth the chance.
    You can compare Toure/Silva, Hazard/Eriksen and see what's better value to decide who should be higher up in your pecking order. Not that you probably would care about value as much with bigger names, i understand that. It's just another way to aid your decision though if you do come to a stop. This is where the investments are truly made. The ones who earn most points period.
    The ones who are new to the league have already been addressed.
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    If you're putting heavy weight on PP90, then why isn't Dzeko an automatic pick? His high PP90 from last season included games against the top sides, and without knowing how well he performed in those games, how can you say that difficult fixtures counteracts a high PP90?

    If he were to get a starting role, what use is the last year's PP90 with a player like Naismith when his performances mostly came in a specialized situation as a substitute when opposition defenders were tired and Everton were on the attack chasing games? :shock:

    Common sense. The factor i said you missed as i started replying to you. Dzeko is not an automatic pick because he is not an automatic pick in his managers eye himself :lol: he is not guaranteed a start in the first 11. If he was, i would certainly consider him but i'd know his PP90 would drop (however, he still may be worth the chance @ 8.5). When it comes to difficult fixtures, just common sense again please. Obviously if i invested 8.5 into him i am not going to bench him. Saying that, i am not going to buy him if all his fixtures are tough. Regardless how well he has done, that's a needless risk.
    Not completely the case with Naismith though is it? :wink: How is Dzeko viewed by most as one to have @ 8.5 with a similar role to Naismith? He's a bigger name. Bigger club. Bigger price. Naismith could become a little gem if he continues starting. It needs to be monitored with common sense. I'd expect Naismith to drop PP90 wise certainly, no question. But 5.0? Starting? Worth the chance.

    There has certainly been evidence on this topic how it can be used on a day to day basis, the difference is we are not saying you are completely wrong. But you are to us, calling it completely useless after the evidence provided is just partially naive. You aren't going to be swayed clearly, so it's just needless conflict.
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 12:28

    vendzol wrote:
    To my mind there's only one word refferring to Spurs defence: Llloris.

    I know this thread is about Defs, but I wouldn't risk any of above as there'll be lot of rotation. Their goalie is the best way to get points for Spurs' clean sheets.

    Agreed totally :) shame it ruins my personal plan of Spurs defenders for now, some of which are a potential bargain @ 5.0. Maybe one will go on a run in the team, i might become more tempted as time goes on to justify a pick
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  • Re: Eric Dier and the 5.0m Spurs defenders.
    21 Aug 2014, 11:51

    To my mind there's only one word refferring to Spurs defence: Llloris.

    I know this thread is about Defs, but I wouldn't risk any of above as there'll be lot of rotation. Their goalie is the best way to get points for Spurs' clean sheets.
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  • Re: Mystery FISO X1 14/15 & random waffle thread
    20 Aug 2014, 12:19

    Value is important to me when I'd generally prefer to play 4-3-3, so need to find room for that third striker. Not 100% sure I am actually going to get one though.

    Currently thinking of dropping Mignolet for Fabianski, Gerrard for Fab/Haz and then maybe Jones for someone else too, or maybe upgrade Bony.

    The best possible score for week 1 was 104 so the league leader on 79 is a fair bit down on that, but I suppose the perfect starting XI is of no significance this year.

    McGregor 11
    Chester 11, Dier 11, Ivanovic 10
    Siggy 10, Sterling 10, Febregas 8
    Berahino 12
    plus - Any 3 of the 12 seven point players
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